https://openstreetmap.org/copyright | https://openstreetmap.org |
Copyright OpenStreetMap and contributors, under an open license |
https://openstreetmap.org/copyright | https://openstreetmap.org |
Copyright OpenStreetMap and contributors, under an open license |
I'm not sure how useful a note will be for this - What is needed is a community effort, but there is not a strong mapper community in Belfast. Since streets can only be named based on a ground survey or local knowledge, we have to assume that the mappers who respond to notes don't have access to the street names.
Are you local? Would you be interested in some community-building? Maybe we can get some momentum going...
Yes, I live in Belfast. I just recently discovered OSM and I'm trying to help a little.
I made this note because I thought that somehow no one noticed those missed names.
I can name them all myself but it will take me ages. By leaving this note, I hoped that more people will focus on this area.
Do what you can, anyway, at a pace that works for you. All of us who are hooked on OSM know about the "taking ages" part :). You are spot on to look for ways of involving others, but the reason I doubt that notes will do it is because the folk reading notes are in theory already mapping. I think that "tell your friends" is probably the key to this one.
You could also try contacting users seen at http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/oooc?zoom=13&lat=54.59336&lon=-5.91472&layers=B00TFFFFFT to get them interested in a mapping party, show them that good imagery is now available, etc. See also http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contact for better discussion venues than the notes.
I'll plug away when I can. I'm a north Belfast native.
Fair play!
OSNI's street gazetteer is now open data and publicly available. I've made a map with the street name labels over the relevant points, which you can use to help you
https://bobharper.cartodb.com/viz/d47002be-cc00-11e5-a7d4-0e31c9be1b51/public_map
The trickier part, because these are only points, is deciding where a street starts and ends, in most cases it will be obvious but might take checking to be sure.
Not as much need for ground surveys now! I can do same for other parts of Belfast and Northern Ireland, so let me know if that's necessary here.
What open licence applies? It's important to know, as not all will be compatible.
Open Government Licence :)
Found it. OGL. Could be a problem. There is a primary attribution requirement that can probably be complied with, but the required onward propagation of the attribution seems to be a problem:
Contains LPS Intellectual Property © Crown copyright and database right (year)
This information is licensed under the terms of the Open Government Licence (http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/doc/open-government-licence/version/3).
You must also:
• include the same acknowledgement requirement in any sub-licences of the data that you grant, and a requirement that any further sub-licences do the same;
would tagging the source be compliant?
With some care, probably for the primary attribution. But what about downstream use? We should discuss this with LWG. I'm a member, I'll take it :)
ok, thanks mackerski :)
If this is useful it discusses use of OS (GB) OGL data http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Ordnance_Survey_Opendata#OS_StreetView
Tag as "source:name=OSNI_OpenData_Gazetteer" ??
Yes, precedent will always help. I think the solution to their specified text is inclusion of it in the wiki. So we just need to consider the downstream issue. If we're lucky the OSGB precedent will apply.
^^ That was from me
Thanks. Included OSNI (because they're a separate organisation) in the OSM Copyright page alongside OS would also be a positive step.http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright. Create a wiki page for OSNI too?
I understand the separation, but ideally the terms will align. Assuming we can endorse the source, inclusion on that page would be the idea.
Hi mackerski, any progress with the LWG? I was going to create an OSNI wiki page; add some info to the NI project page.
Hi - we have progress, but no certainty yet. I have raised the matter with the LWG and it should have some active discussion in the next week or so. On closer investigation, I can tell you that the troublesome part of the licence is also present in the original OS (GB) data release, which is encouraging - since we have been able to decide that that data is OK.
But: I recall that it took us a while to arrive at that conclusion and that doing so required specific contact with OS to be sure that they were agreeable to our approach. So it seems likely that we may need to do that with OSNI too. I believe that I have a path to making such contact if that's the way this goes.
So: hang in there, but it seems like we can probably make this work.
Thank you, I appreciate it. If you know someone in OSNI to contact that's good - I don't know anyone myself but do know the NI government Open Data Team who would work closely with them - give me a shout if you want contact details for them.
Bob
Very old note, lots of progress has since been made, closing