Changeset: 65131453
remove transient data: fhrs:rating,fhrs:hygiene,fhrs:structural
Closed by DaveF
Tags
created_by | JOSM/1.5 (14289 en_GB) |
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source | OSM Database |
Discussion
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Comment from will_p
This appears to be a mechanical edit. Was it discussed anywhere?
- Comment from DaveF
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Comment from will_p
I can't see any discussion in the link you have provided that justifies this edit. Back in 2016 there was some discussion and agreement that the fhrs:rating tag should not be used. However, there was no discussion over whether that tag should be summarily removed by mechanical edit in future. Additionally you have removed other fhrs:* tags, some of which are not transient, such as fhrs:local_authority_id.
Even when there are good reasons for a mechanical edit, advance notice and discussion is still important, so the mappers using those tags understand what is happening. The fact is some mappers have continued to use the fhrs:rating tag. They should have been informed of the deletion in advance and have been given a chance to respond. As it is, they may not understand how or why the tags have disappeared and so may now carry on adding them.
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Comment from DaveF
"it was decided that transient data such as this should not be included as tags"
"we agreed to not put transient data from the fhrs dataset into OSM"
Al* data relevant to fhrs can be obtained via the fhrs:id link.
There is no sell by date on decisions taken to improve the database's quality.
The maintenance of these tags in OSM can best be described as 'poor'. By law local authorities have to maintain FHRS data. There is no point in OSM doing it as well.
The majority of tags were at least 6 years old. I suspect that not only are the tags poor data, but many of the establishments are closed.
I believe these edits improve the quality of the OSM database.
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Comment from will_p
There was no discussion at all about a mechanical edit. There are lots of tags in the OSM database that are discouraged to varying degrees, but to remove or change them en masse still requires you to follow the procedure for mechanical edits. Also you didn't address my point about your removal of other fhrs:* tags.
For the record I don't support adding fhrs:rating at all, but that's not the point. The number of undiscussed mechanical edits seems to have increased recently and I think it needs to be challenged. In my view uncontrolled mass edits are a far greater threat to OSM data quality than a small amount of transitory data.
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Comment from DaveF
I refute your claim it was undiscussed & uncontrolled.
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Comment from DaveF
Re: "you didn't address my point about your removal of other fhrs:* tags.":-
Please see the changeset comments + "All data relevant to fhrs can be obtained via the fhrs:id link."Re:fhrs:local_authority_id.
This is a tag is for internal authority use. It is not used by any websites such as 'scores on the doors'. frhs:id is the only tag required.Please provide evidence removed data was current, beneficial, relevant, in use, being maintained & unavailable from other, better maintained sources & I'll be willing willing to revert. Otherwise I just see these tags as irrelevant gumpf from a database dump which fails to add quality to the OSM database.
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Comment from DaveF
Very disappointing you've reverted without providing justifiable reasons.
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Comment from will_p2
This reason is clear - it was an discussed mechanical edit. The two-year-old discussion did not support the mass deletion of tags. That discussion also did not lead to any consensus over tags such as fhrs:local_authority_id.
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Comment from DaveF
Your OSM time would be much more beneficially spent if you assessed your criticisms on the actual detrimental quality of the edits rather than just on their size & how you perceive they were performed.
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Comment from Polarbear
DaveF, you are known in the community to have a strong personal opinion. We respect that, but please also respect the OSM is a community work that needs some rules.
An important rule is documented here: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_Edits_code_of_conduct
Your edit is a typical example of a mechanical edit going wrong, since it removed tags that were not disputed.
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