Changeset: 35457641
review nodes with highway=traffic_calming, remove it when traffic_calming is also set, else replace it by traffic_calming=yes
Closed by GerdP
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created_by | JOSM/1.5 (8969 en) |
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source | Bing;Mapbox |
Discussion
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Comment from chillly
This is a mechanical edit.
Where was it discussed?
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Comment from GerdP
Well, yes, probable you can call it mechanical edit, although I've verified each node. The tag highway=traffic_calming is
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Comment from chillly
OK, a mech edit that has not been discussed and agreed will be reverted. That's the rules.
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Comment from GerdP
okay, do I have to do the revert ?
I've done this check with all nodes
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Comment from GerdP
Or maybe it is okay to discuss it now
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Comment from chillly
Mech edits have NOTHING to do with the tagging list. You made an undiscussed unagreed mech edit, so I think you should revert it rather than asking anyone else to do it.
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Comment from GerdP
okay, I'll revert this one now and discuss
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Comment from chillly
Thanks
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Comment from RobJN
As per my email, I have no issue with the edit and feel that the fact that we are discussing this is (probably) more wasteful/harmful than this edit.
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2015-November/018052.html
I appreciate that both of you meant well but I feel a pragmatic approach on a case by case basis is often better than a blanket application of some rule. This allows us to pick our battles wisely so that we don't pull the moral of the community down.
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Comment from chillly
@RobJN, I don't agree.
All mechanical edits should be discussed before being made. Period.
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Comment from GerdP
@RobJN Thanks for the good description of what I did, you made that much more clear than I did.
@chillly: I fear you got me wrong, I don't
want to "redo" this edit, I'd prefer that this is done by the local mappers (that's what I meant with "ask the mappers to review the remaining ... nodes"
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Comment from RobJN
Given that this gained unanimous approval on talk-gb (although only I commented on the merit of the change), I am going to see if it is possible to un-revert.
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Comment from RobJN
I reverted the revert (35463688) as changeset 35691743. No conflicts detected.
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Comment from SomeoneElse
Rob, when was this discussed on talk-gb? 2 days ago you were clear that it hadn't been ( https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2015-November/018071.html ). As far as I can see no-one replied to that. You asked the question "Does this mean we can now look for someone to un-revert this changeset?" but no-one answered - not even you saying "well, I've not heard anything so I'm going to do it".
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Comment from RobJN
Hi Andy, It was first raised on the 22nd November by Chillly. I can't force people to respond (hence the problem with the whole "approval" process) but I gave it a people a lot longer to respond that the original revert which was done without discussion based on a mechanical edit policy which I intend to challenge to get a clause added that at least 2 people should agree before a revert is committed on non-discussed mech edits.
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Comment from SomeoneElse
@RobJN Aside from whether or not _any_ of the changes in this sequence were a good idea or not, which is debateable (poor Haslewood Road in Newton Aycliffe http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/63334615 will be wondering what's happening to it) you clearly have a preference for mechanical edits to data in the UK. That _is_ something worth discussing and I suggest that you write a "position piece" for talk-gb explaining your thoughts. It's about more than whether a particular node is tagged with highway=traffic_calming or not; it's more about a "philosphy of mapping".
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Comment from RobJN
Each mechanical edit should be assessed on a case by case basis for its merits. Preferably before the edit is made :-) The community should try to keep on topic and be realistic so as to not swamp the discussion and effectively kill it dead through exhaustion.
Mech edits aside, my real aim is to increase the number of active mappers in the UK. I don't think we have a clear enough view of how easy/hard it is to put people off editing by reverting changesets and/or jumping on their first edit (which may be wrong but is often constrained to a tiny area and usually fixed as the new contributor gets to grips with OSM).
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Comment from GerdP
OK, I've fixed Haslewood Road.
The original data contained two highway=traffic_calming nodes next to the road, so I connected them with the way without understanding that they meant two different directions of the same obstacle.. I've now merged them into one node.reg. "philosphy of mapping":
I guess each mapper has one, but I don't think that I will ever be able to describe mine or understand those of others.
I just try to improve the data in OSM and the tools around it.
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