Changeset: 145082805
Municipios y Parroquias del Estado Apure
Closed by Wilmer Osario
Tags
created_by | JOSM/1.5 (18822 es) |
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source | IGVSB; INE (2014); SAGECAN (1996); local knowledge |
Discussion
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Comment from Aleksandar Matejevic
Hi Wilmer,
is this some new administrative division in Venezuela? Can you give me more details, or some website where I can read about it? -
Comment from Wilmer Osario
Hi, currently the administrative division of Venezuela is a complex and complicated topic. Currently there is no official website or “public accessible” documentation that talks about our administrative divisions. Almost everything we have mapped regarding the topic has been through our “local knowledge” that each user has of their respective regions of origin, or from other platforms such as Wikipedia or amateur publications, which were written by unofficial people.
In summary, regarding OSM, our biggest problems are precisely two:
Our main government cartographic institution (https://igvsb.gob.ve) exposes clauses that prohibit us from importing official databases within OSM. Legally we must request authorization for each "official data" that we place on our map
I explained in detail in this post on our forums:
- https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/sobre-la-legalidad-de-osm-en-venezuela/104049
In each official cartographic material published by our government institution, you can find in a lower corner a text that says:
“Prohibida su reproducción total o parcial por cualquier medio, sin previa autorización del IGVSB”
What translated it would be:
“Total or partial reproduction is prohibited without government authorization”
You can check it by viewing some of these official materials:
- https://igvsb.gob.ve/adminigvsb/archivos/servicios/9/servicedoc_220630062428.pdf
- https://igvsb.gob.ve/servicio/8
So, in theory, we cannot add the official shapes in OSM, at least not so explicitly, for being incompatible with the licenses required by our platform
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Another big problem is the source from which to obtain official shapes, because our government institute only has published incomplete shapes of our administrative division.
Until now, we have been using a data set of dubious origin, imported 10 years ago by Venezuelan users at that time. Therefore, we cannot warrant compatibility with OSM licenses.
In addition, the quality of the official borders (shapes) are of very low quality and leave much to be desired.
Therefore, this last year I have been dedicated to re-drawing all the borders of our administrative divisions, by hand and from scratch, in JOSM. Using as a guide the different laws and official documents that describe the borders in detail, such as these:
- http://www.cleb.gob.ve/pdf/2004/LEY%20DIIVISI%C3%93N%20TERRITORIAL.pdf
- https://igvsb.gob.ve/adminigvsb/archivos/documentacion/documento_220518061809.pdf
I am also guided by the official shapes, which you can see in black-color in these images:
- https://i.imgur.com/1suEh6C.png
- https://i.imgur.com/vFIMc9M.png
- https://i.imgur.com/nvyjLNu.png
- https://i.imgur.com/V7Swp9W.png
- https://i.imgur.com/E9LOGmS.png -
Comment from Aleksandar Matejevic
Thanks for (as always) detailed answer. So there are districts at admin_level=5 that are not mapped so far. I have seen that you have done a lot of great work adjusting the boundaries.
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Comment from Wilmer Osario
Thanks 😁, there are several (admin_level=5) territories in certain parts of the country.
For now we only know three (Alto Apure, Caracas Metropolitan City, and some islands in the Caribbean Sea).
They are proposed-territories project whose local governments joined with the desire to become new states/provinces, but over the years they have been forgotten. But legally they remain administrative territories with a capital city and government structure.
In terms of cartography, our country is a confusing law labyrinth. There are new legally official territories, but which not even its inhabitants know about. Just as there are also new territories that government doesn't even know of their existence.
Added to this is official censorship, and the fact that we cannot ask for information or contact government institutions without running the risk of getting into trouble or ending up in prison.
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