Changeset: 132711039
Edit parkings, fix paths and others
Closed by Amadeous
Tags
changesets_count | 2710 |
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created_by | iD 2.24.2 |
host | https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit |
imagery_used | swisstopo SWISSIMAGE |
locale | fr |
resolved:crossing_ways:building-highway | 3 |
resolved:help_request:fixme_tag | 6 |
resolved:outdated_tags:incomplete_tags | 1 |
resolved:outdated_tags:noncanonical_brand | 1 |
source | aerial imagery;local knowledge |
Discussion
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Comment from d_berger
Work more careful, you deleted a whole section of road (Rue des Chenevières).
Also stop following stupid iD suggestions, like changing "crossing=uncontrolled" to "crossing=marked" – of course it's 'marked' when it uses "crossing_ref=zebra" and/or (new) "crossing:markings=zebra". Those are outdated iD suggestions, so please stop brainlessly clicking OK on every iD suggestion. Thank you.
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Comment from d_berger
I restored the road section (and added lane tagging).
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Comment from Amadeous
First, thank you for checking my changeset and reverting the mistake I made. I should have been more careful, you're right.
Second, according the Crossings page on the wiki https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Crossings (which is the reference, as far as I know), it seems that even if redundant, using "crossing=marked" is the correct way to tag it, if we consider the latest proposal.
Moreover, it seems that the way iD should tag crossing has not been determined yet (https://github.com/openstreetmap/id-tagging-schema/issues/408) and thus is not "outdated".
I assume that if you make such comment about the way others are tagging crossings, you have references or clear and generally admitted instructions about how to tag them. In this case, could you share them with others and edit the wiki accordingly?Third, while reviews, discussions and suggestions for improvements are welcome, there is no need to be aggressive or unpleasant. Such behavior is not constructive and repellant. You could have written your comment in a kind and caring way. One could not improve and would no longer contribute if they are being told off.
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Comment from d_berger
I'm sorry, I didn't mean to offend – I'm rather tone-deaf, especially in foreign languages.
The problem with iD is, that it's the only editor that adapted the *unapproved* (and inactive) proposal to use 'crossing=marked'. So what those developers do is basically fueling an edit war, by calling the approved tagging outdated and enabling iD users to act out the opinion of the iD devs through what would be considered an automated edit, in any other case.
This is not OK, and neither JOSM, nor Vespucci suggest such semi-automated edits by themselves. They stick to the approved tagging scheme from the wiki. The french language version of the wiki[1] doesn't even recognize the 'marked' variant. And whatever reason for introduction, it has become obsolete with the approval of the 'crossing:markings' key.
Changing the approved tag 'uncontrolled' to the unapproved 'marked' just because iD lies about the status, is quite offensive to all the users that stick to the wiki. In any other case this would be considered trolling, however in this case the trolls are the iD devs. Please, don't play their game. That doesn't improve the map data.
Just because iD "warns" about something frantically it doesn't mean that something is actually wrong. And sometimes the suggested fixes don't improve anything; in worse cases they just mask errors, which makes it near to impossible to identify them.
So map with purpose and don't get distracted. iD is just a tool, and not a reference for good mapping practices. ;-)
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