Changeset: 121831857
New York boundaries. hamlet/CDP of University Gardens - defined by the boundaries of neighbouring incorporated communities except for a very short segment by Russell Woods
Closed by ke9tv
Tags
created_by | JOSM/1.5 (18427 en) |
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source | https://gis.ny.gov/civil-boundaries/; Tiger/Line 2021 Places; NYS Orthos Online |
Discussion
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Comment from ivanbranco
Hi ke9tv,
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/174474
after this edit this boundary has now a double place value "hamlet;CDP". Could you check it out?
To be honest I don't think the boundary should be mapped as place=* at all since this tag is already mapped on the label node: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/One_feature,_one_OSM_element
so I would leave the node element for the place feature and the relation element for the boundary feature.
Also now both boundary and node are tagged as "hamlet" but the wiki says it's a census-designate place, which is a value used already 139 times in the OSM database: https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/place=census-designated
Maybe it should be a better value?I leave the considerations to you since you seem to have local knowledge (which I don't have).
Happy mapping!
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Comment from ke9tv
Thanks for noticing this! The `hamlet;CDP` on the boundary was a
copy-and-paste problem - I wasn't intentionally updating `place=*`
on boundaries, only on the nodes.As far as the choice of the `place=*` value, let me begin by observing
that this edit is part of a months-long systematic review of NY admin
boundaries against the authoritative data in NYSGIS (for counties,
towns, cities and villages), and the updated CDP boundaries in
TIGER/Line 2021. The chief focus is on correct topology (all boundaries
closed; no crossing boundaries; townships and counties share boundary ways,
etc.) and correct geometry (for instance, getting the line between
New York County and Bronx County to follow the former line of the
Spuyten Duyvil Kill correctly, rather than being glued to nearby streets).In the course of doing that, missing associations between boundary and label,
missing town and village halls, and cross references to GNIS, FIPS code,
and NY statewide-information-system code (SWIS) are also being corrected,
and Wikidata/Wikipedia links are being verified.The tagging is being made consistent. There has been off-and-on active
discussion over the last six months or so on Slack and on
talk-us-newyork about what correct tagging for some of these features
is, and I agree that what's being done doesn't quite align with the
current consensus. Nevertheless, the commenters seem to be willing to
accept my contention that 'wrong consistently' is the way to go for
the moment, allowing me to focus on the completeness of the
information and the accuracy of the geometry - which is entirely hard
enough!Once there's a tagging consensus, and in another month or two when the
remaining boundaries are updated (there are just New York City and the
two Long Island counties left to finish) it will be easy to go back
with a mechanical edit and update things - removing `place=*` from
boundaries, tagging town halls as something other than the
`admin_centre` of the towns, respelling CDP as `census_determined` or
whatever. That will also let us sort out what should be retained if,
as here, a census-determined place and a township-decreed hamlet are
precisely coterminous.
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Relations (1)
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