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tidying stiles

Posted by b-unicycling on 26 August 2022 in English.

I was preparing a video tutorial about stiles (online tomorrow morning on my channel). Even though I have mapped quite a few stiles while hiking, I came to the realization that I had mapped a lot of them wrong (mostly using OSMAnd, where I have to remember a lot of tags, bc they’re not presets) after reading the wiki page barrier=stile. Oops. While reading the page, it occurred to me that it was a bit messy, so I tried to tidy it up a bit and tried to find some examples for such cases that are a bit tricky to decide, like the stepover. I had tagged some of those as ladder, because they included more than one step.

I also took a look at the taginfo for the stile values, and boy, was there chaos! I mean, we’re mostly all humans, so we make mistakes and typos which might then be propagated through auto-text in JOSM or copying and pasting, who knows. I actually found one mistake I made myself this way. Some were obvious typos (steover) that I could correct without having visited the site, for others, I contacted the person who had added them (sometimes as far back as 8 years ago, so they couldn’t remember, and just had to delete the stile=* line, unfortunately).

But I also looked at commonly used ones like hipster and added explanations to the wiki page. Two I had to translate into English, and I hope I did it correctly, because they were both in languages I don’t speak, so I used image search to figure out what could be meant. I reduced the list from 4 pages of values to 2.5, so it’s a bit tidier now.

I also saw a strange squeezer stile on Twitter (coincidentally) and asked the person to upload the photograph to Wikicommons.

I noticed three undocumented values that I think describe the same situation and started a discussion on the Discussion page. Please have a look.

I recommend getting mapillary or similar from hiking trails, if you can, because it would help with mapping stiles. I know it’s a bit awkward, but it is possible to hold a selfie-stick with a phone to capture images, even if you walk for hours. Or use an action camera - I have yet to try that.

Discussion

Comment from SomeoneElse on 27 August 2022 at 12:33

Thanks for tidying these up!

I had a look at these in UK and Ireland a while ago (using values from https://taginfo.geofabrik.de/europe/britain-and-ireland/keys/stile#values )

These (at least) are definitely valid distinct values:

stepover	17,877	73.78%	
squeezer	4,489	18.53%	
ladder		1,060	4.37%	
ramblers_gate	13	0.05%

Other names for those 4 seem to be:

wall		554	2.29%	Peak District and North Yorkshire Moors, probably stepover
fence		42	0.17%	Spread out in England, including 9278377616 near Leeds
gate		37	0.15%	lots west of Bradford by one mapper, probably gate
hipster		34	0.14%	lots west of Bradford, probably squeezer
steps		24	0.10%	lots west of Bradford, probably stepover
stone␣steps	8	0.03%	west of Bradford, probably stepover (with material=stone)
pinchpoint	7	0.03%	Southern England, probably squeezer

Typos and others:

g		9	0.04%	typo for gate by one mapper?  Grassington, Hathersage, Leyburn.
yes		9	0.04%	Southern England, sometimes on gate/stile combinations.
rail		4	0.02%	Cheshire, by one mapper

Personally I think I’ve mapped osm.wiki/Talk:Tag:barrier%3Dstile#stile=insulated_section/_hose_etc as gates rather than stiles - and I’ve tended to not map them if they’re obviously temporary / movable (often the case for cattle, less so for horses).

Comment from SK53 on 27 August 2022 at 16:03

I think we’re pretty sure the stile=hipsters are squeezers, as I think several people have wondered about them over the years.

I’ve now posted a picture on the wiki of a stile with “insulated_section”. Wonder if @SomeoneElse is also thinking of insulated sections with a hook which can be detached, which would be closer to a gate than the stepover action required when all there is a metre of insulated wire.

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