Public Transport in OSM is in fact not easy to map.

The older (legacy) version, also called PTv1 (public_transport:version=1), allows mapping a bus route with a single relation - same technique as with hiking, cycling, skiing, mtb, … routes - but adding bus stops/platforms. As such, PTv1 routes are OK for “painting a red line on a map”, but not really more than that.

The newer one, called PTv2, is more complex and complicated - yes. But it allows data consumers other than map-painters making use of structured data. PTNA focuses on PTv2 relations. PTv2 has a lot of ‘optional’ and ‘recommended’ but only few ‘madatory’ features/tags. To be honest: map as many optional/recommended features/tags as possible.

Regarding PTNA and adding a new ‘network’ or other areas: the easiest way for you is to “give me ring” via mail with some details. It’s then more or less a matter of copy&paste (for me).

The alternative is to do it on your own in GitHub:

1.) for the new ‘network’ to be analyzed: https://github.com/osm-ToniE/ptna-networks

2.) for the web page: https://github.com/osm-ToniE/ptna-www

But there are only 1 or 2 mappers (< 10 ‘network’) doing it this way.

Just added the City of Anchorage, Alaska to PTNA (Public Transport Network Analysis).

https://ptna.openstreetmap.de/results/US/index.php

At the moment, this is only a list of what can be found in OSM.

This can be improved later on to specify what is expected in OSM, what exists on the ground. As an example see the template:

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Public_transport_in_Adelaide/Analysis/Adelaide_Metro_Routes

… wenn der Link denn funktionieren würde.

Das scheint ein Fehler (doer veraltete Daten) von MagicEarth zu sein. Warum routet der in eine Sackgasse (Profile: Auto oder Radl?).

https://www.openstreetmap.org/directions?engine=graphhopper_car&route=48.29336%2C16.37910%3B48.30129%2C16.37182#map=16/48.2974/16.3754

https://www.openstreetmap.org/directions?engine=fossgis_osrm_car&route=48.2934%2C16.3791%3B48.3013%2C16.3718

Hey,

du hast es in die Weekly-OSM-News geschafft!

https://weeklyosm.eu/de/archives/14561

LG Toni

Servus Strubbl,

der andere User war ich.

Gruß, Toni

Bis nächste Woche beim Stammtisch

Servus,

alles was OSM AFAIK an Lizenzangaben hier benötigt steht unten rechts auf der Karte “© OpenStreetMap Mitwirkende”.

Von OSM-Seite aus also OK.

@François2 yes fixed, thanks for the fast modification :)

Great stuff, I love this also!

I enhanced Munich’s Stachus a bit.

BTW: it seems that conveying=no on highway=steps is rendered wrongly: looks like conveying=yes

Also ich habe mit Jitsi kein Problem auf Firefox.

Dito hier.

Thanks Frederik for sharing this.

And sometimes it is good to know where old trees are located, before planning and building/fixing a road.

Now constructions are paused and they have to spend another € 200k to shift the road for a 300 year old tree, because no one did a survey before.

https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/7680995750

Thanks for the wikidata, I will use that - it’s shorter and more precise. Actually, one version of my filter retrieved also data from “City of Campbelltown” south-east of Sydney, I had to exclude that by its wikidata != ‘…’.

I assume you already noticed https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Public_transport_in_Adelaide/Analysis/Adelaide_Metro_Routes , an OSM wiki page where you and other local mappers can play around with the structure and keep it up-to-date over time.

Hi Paul,

no, I haven’t seen any tools yet which might help converting GTFS into an OSM relation.

The GTFS data of Adelaide Metro provides shape data which helps a lot finding the route. The shape and stop information can be downloaded as GPX file and then be used in JSOM to “work” along the route.

Kindly see here for an example (bus 190) (button: bottom left side). There is much more information on this trip/variant on this page though.

For the PTNA analysis, you can down load the CSV list of all existing routes here

In the PTNA analysis (example bus 190 you will later on find links called “PTNA” for each relation which leads to a page (example bus 190 which looks very similar to the GTFS analysis of a trip, but then based on OSM data rather than on GTFS data.

The PTNA analysis is currently limited to “City of Adelaide” only, I will extend the search area later.

Br Toni

“area[boundary=administrative][admin_level=6][name~’(Dachau|München|Ebersberg|Erding|Starnberg|Freising|Tölz|Wolfratshausen|Fürstenfeldbruck)’]”

or

“area[boundary=administrative][wikidata~’^(Q12094|Q12079|Q12746|Q12713|Q12697|Q11922|Q74768|Q347)$’]”

Thanks for the link. Will be available at PTNA this evening (CEST). We have to take care of the licensing and proper attribution though.

For the “actual” analysis, I would like to know which of the 19 Local Government Areas (LGAs) around Adelaide are covered by Adelaide Metro, i.e. which “admin_level=6” boundary relations to include into the overpass-api query for the downlad of the data.

Something like this here

or

I’ve seen this list on Wikipedia (german version)

Adelaide Hills Council
City of Adelaide
City of Burnside
City of Campbelltown
City of Charles Sturt
City of Holdfast Bay
City of Marion
City of Mitcham
City of Norwood, Payneham & St Peters
City of Onkaparinga
City of Playford
City of Port Adelaide Enfield
City of Prospect
City of Salisbury
City of Tea Tree Gully
City of Unley
City of West Torrens
Town of Gawler
Town of Walkerville

Hi Paul,

I could help by adding “Adelaide Bus Routes” to the PTNA tool (https://ptna.openstreetmap.de) so you can get an overview of what is already mapped and secondly compare it with what exists in reality (target-actual analysis). Best source of what exists in reality would having GTFS data.

Br Toni

… you forgot to mention that he wasn’t able to bring the fish home. A shark attacked him and nothing left of the marlin when he arrived home.

Author Ernest Hemmingway.

Nevertheless, I will report this entry as spam.

Hallo Andreas,

gut gemacht. Ich weiß, dass du dort sehr aktiv bist: Barfußwanderungen, Kanu, …

VG Toni

Agreed.

But it seems quite difficult for the renderer: skipping the icon for “highway=bus_stop” if “public_transport=platform” is present and adding the icon for that object instead.

PTv2 does not deprecate “highway=bus_stop” though.

As it says under: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dbus_stop

“The highway=bus_stop tag is widely used on a node off to one side of the highway way …”

“Widely used” and there is no final consensus on where to actually put the information “highway=bus_stop” - I also prefer “off to one side of the highway”.

The stop “Confederation Center” is mapped according to the so called PTv2 (public transport version 2) tagging scheme. * The node on the highway is tagged as “public_transport=stop_position” * The area off to one side of the highway is tagged as “public_transport=platform” (can also be a node or line though)

This way, PTv2 does not require “highway=bus_stop” bus most (PTv2-)mappers use it because it lets the icon appear on the map - simply spoken by a PTv2-mapper and I can already hear “Objection!”.

Suggestion: leave it as it is.