Greenery in sidlisko areas in Bratislava
Posted by ScarlettB on 1 June 2026 in English. Last updated on 2 June 2026.This is a summary of the problem and a proposal regarding inconsistent treatment of greenery in sidlisko areas in Bratislava, Slovakia. Some arguments stem from my own experience with mapping these, some echo those I saw in various changeset comments. The following text is likely not exhaustive and I invite anyone concerned with the matter or area in question to join in discussion.
The subject
Greenery areas around blocks of flats on Bratislava’s sidlisko areas are specific. They’re typically grass, but often also with trees, benches, bins and play structures within them, all of it somewhat regularly maintained. I’ll call these areas panelak greenery for the remainder of this text.
The motivation
I began micromapping Karlova Ves and simply found that when adding detail up to splitting landuse on roads, using leisure=park becomes problematic. While leaving it mapped as huge blobs of leisure=park is an option, it’s a very rough approximation which doesn’t describe these areas in detail, which then defies the point of micromapping.
The problem
The subject as described above implies usage identical to that of a park, and indeed, leads one to consider that leisure=park is technically the right tag for such areas. It is also apparent that these areas are not parks in the traditional sense of being compact areas dedicated to leisure and intended for the wide public. Since this is a bit of an instinctive classification, I’ll try to break it down into particularities. What differentiates these areas from parks follows:
- Parks imply use by wide public. While panelak greenery areas aren’t normally gated and access to them is not restricted, it is rare that people from further away than a few houses visit these areas for leisure. This is unlike traditional parks. The extreme example would be Sad Janka Krala, which gets visited by people from all over the city, but even smaller parks see visitors from a wider radius. When panelak greenery is utilised for leisure, it’s usually by the closest panelaks’ inhabitants. Others usually just pass through, and the inhabitants, in fact, also mostly use these areas to get to their houses rather than for leisure. A good example is the neat areas between the single panelaks on Lackova. Locals also often decorate and improve these areas on their own, which may deter unrelated people to use them.
- Some of panelak greenery areas are too small to be considered a park in any sense. When micromapping, this creates a mess of parks and not-parks (grass, shrubbery) on the map, while in reality these areas do form compact wholes with the rest of the greenery. For example these triangles near Kuklovska.
- Some of panelak greenery is in close proximity with major roads and so even if it is park-like, it doesn’t provide any leisure and is not used in such a way. For example this area near Tilgnerova.
These are mostly problems which stem from tagging these areas as parks. Other problems may arise when tagging these areas as landuse=grass, which is the other closest match:
- Grass implies a simple grass surface. A park is expected to contain trees, shrubs and some amenities. Grass is not, so if one does not map trees separately within grass areas, they’re missing from the map rather than being present implicitly.
- If one does decide to map trees on these grass areas, a problem arises when there are multiple trees growing in disorganised fashion, making it impossible to place them as single nodes without an aerial map shot in winter, which still isn’t ideal, or GNSS with RTK correction, which is scarce among mappers. Tagging these as
landuse=forestis not correct, since a forest retains a somewhat natural floor. Panelak greenery areas don’t, the trees are surrounded by mowed grass and anything that drops from the trees, be it branches or leaves, is also collected by the municipal services. - The wiki, while it is descriptive and certainly not a holy grail, states grass use beyond that associated with roads is controversial. Though I’m not convinced of this, I’m including it because the wiki is an important resource.
The proposal
My proposal is simple.
- Since tagging these areas as parks is problematic, I’d tag these areas primarily as
landuse=grass, because that’s a primary characteristic common for pretty much all of them. Even when not micromapping, usingleisure=parkshould be avoided to keep the distinction between actual parks and panelak greenery. - An attempt to map trees should be made, as these are a major visual and functional element and it’s desirable to know of their (lack of) presence for both orientation and planning, when using the map. Individual trees and tree rows should be used. I’d personally speak for using
natural=tree_groupfor groups of trees, even though the tag only has about 8000 uses. It is, however, documented on the wiki and usage is rising. This tag perfectly solves the problem with individual trees being too difficult to place. - Smaller details like shrubbery, flowerbeds, benches and bins can be left to the micromappers. While implied in parks, they’re likewise often present on roadside greenery, so little information is lost when not including them by implication.
I’d like to hear your opinion on this, but I’m also prepared to simply harmonise landuse in Karlova Ves in this fashion if no protest is made in a longer period of time.
Discussion
Comment from ticho2 on 1 June 2026 at 10:42
I’m all for replacing most of leisure=park with landuse=grass. It’s been a thorn in my eye for a while now, mostly while mapping around Karlova Ves, exactly for reasons you state - they’re not really parks.
Using natural=tree_group seems like a good idea, I was not aware of this tag.
Comment from ScarlettB on 1 June 2026 at 12:07
Glad to see I’m not alone.
Yeah, tree group it’s one of the less used ones. Carto doesn’t render it, but nor does it show
natural=shrubbery(despite multiple proposals and almost 100k uses), but fortunately, we don’t tag for the renderer. Both tree group and shrubbery are important building blocks in micromapping urban green areas.One thing to be solved if we do start using tree group is, do we just plop it onto the grass, or do we make multipolygons out of it so that they don’t overlap? I think leaving them overlapping better represents reality, since there’s grass usually under the trees themselves. Just like we don’t make holes around tree nodes and tree rows.
Comment from Filip009 on 1 June 2026 at 19:40
I recommend to ask most active mapper in Bratislava, who will likely have something to say about this topic, so you won’t get cooked in comments. osm.org/user/aceman444
Comment from ScarlettB on 2 June 2026 at 06:02
I wonder if we can tag people here? @aceman444 I summon thee
Comment from ScarlettB on 2 June 2026 at 06:03
Nope, I’ll try in the note.
Comment from Filip009 on 2 June 2026 at 06:15
Share this topic in forum https://groups.google.com/g/osm_sk, or ask him in direct message. But it would be nice to at least inform community about mass edit.
Comment from ScarlettB on 2 June 2026 at 06:22
I’ve tried to get into the mailing group before, but it doesn’t seem to play nice without a google account. I’ll just try a direct message here.
I wasn’t planning on doing this beyond Karlova Ves at the moment, so it wouldn’t be that much of a mass edit, but yeah, if we can get the local community to agree on this, perhaps it could be done en masse for consistency, too.
Comment from Filip009 on 2 June 2026 at 07:44
I think you can write e-mail here osm_sk@googlegroups.com, and then it needs to be approved by an administrator.
Comment from Marcos Dione on 2 June 2026 at 08:45
In Argentina we have a similar concept, “la plaza”, and we map them as parks. They’re usually whole blocks, with more or less green, and depending on many factors, can only be used by locals or by a wider audience. Granted, in our case they’re not at densely located as your panelak greeneries; there could be many hundred meters between them; see the green rectangles in f.i. osm.org/relation/5167559#map=16/-31.42253/-64.21605
I don’t think how many people use them or where they come from should make a difference; the fact is that I’m passing by and decide to use it, I’m free to do it.
But then, I’m not a local, just an opinion from an are that has similar amenities.
Comment from ScarlettB on 2 June 2026 at 08:57
Thanks for the input. Even if we ignore how people use them, I think the most important thing is, they’re not meant to be parks. You’re free to use the spaces, but they don’t always conform to the idea of a park. Looking at the examples on your link, it seems yours are much more park-y.
Here they’re really areas that fill the spaces between blocks and within blocks, which contain some park amenities to make them pleasant and lend them the function of a park, but not always - and that’s what either creates massive inconsistencies, or really stretches the definition of park in some places.
It’s easier to consider them case by case if they’re as disjointed and scarce as in your example and so I’d totally go with park if they were like that.
Comment from Tomas_J on 8 June 2026 at 04:47
Hi, I tag these “panelak greenery” spaces as landuse=grass and add all the amenities (benches, playgrounds, fitness stations etc.) if there are any. If there is a wider area of trees or shrubs, I make a multipolygon into the landuse=grass with respective other landuse (e.g. landuse=forest). The suggested tree_group area sounds also ok although the wiki is quite vague in it’s definition and I assume that there are only a few/no renderers which recognize it.. If there are some solitary big trees, I add them as nodes. I agree with not using leisure=park as these places are more liminal than leisure ones.
I suggest to link or copy your post also to the Slovak osm Google group (https://groups.google.com/g/osm_sk) to attract wider local audience.