Hi Ilya,

it was not my intention to chase you away from public transport mapping. Public transport tagging is a difficult topic if you go beyond mapping of buses. Due to the difficulty and the nitpicking character of some self-proclaimed “experts” (like me), people are very picky and aim perfect proposals.

The main problem of you proposal was and still is that it is a mix of a useful guide and some tagging changes. Proposals which only contain the changes don’t invite the large audience to read. But proposals which contain too much context hide the changes.

Zverik wrote: > For one person, it’s because I should have discussed the proposal in his 3-messages-a-month mailing list, not in talk@ and tagging@.

That is an example of a excessive nitpicking which is not encouraging and not commendable. You posted a lot on the mailing lists about your proposal and that shows that you have good intentions. If I remember correctly, WeeklyOSM mentioned your proposal one or two times. If you miss a minor special interest mailing list, it is a minor formal defect and could be cured by posting a link to the proposal on the mailing list and extending the voting period for two weeks.

Zverik wrote: > Deprecating? They have always been recommended to map stations as nodes, until your silent edit a year ago to one of the pages. Of course it’s safer to edit circumventing a proposal stage, since nobody could oppose the change. I just read the wiki and put what I found in the proposal.

Hey, that’s not Martin’s fault, it’s me being the bad guy. I did some wiki fiddling which has been reverted later by Martin and I regret it.

Zverik wrote: > For a mapper things also looked bleak: to map a subway properly, you would have to know how underground tracks go, and where underground platforms are located.

What about introducing some kind of “trackless route relation”, i.e. relations which are build like PTv2 route relations but don’t contain all tracks because they are unknown? I think that we should not use route=* to avoid confusion and to make it possible for validators to distinguish between intended and unintended absence of the tracks. That’s why I suggest to use incomplete:route=train/subway/… + incompleteness_state:tracks=incomplete.

Best regards

Michael

Maperitive ist das Einsteigerprogramm zum Kartenrendern. In dem verlinkten Forenthread findest du sogar den Quellcode eine Schwarzplan-Kartenstils für Maperitive. Alles was du jetzt noch tun musst:

• Mapertive herunterladen und entpacken
• OSM-Daten herunterladen und zuschneiden (oder einen Extrakt auf extract.bbbike.org erzeugen lassen), Format: osm.pbf
• OSM-Daten in Maperitive laden
• Kartenstil anwenden (ich glaube der Befehl load-ruleset [PARAMETER] gefolgt von apply-ruleset)
• Karte rendern mit export-png oder export-svg

Weitere Details findest du in Tutorials sowie in der Maperitive-Dokumentation.

There is a plenty of results if you google “Schwarzplan OpenStreetMap”. Because you mention the German term, I am sure that you are able to read German forum discussions, e.g. this.

Zu regionalen Quests gibt es schon ein Ticket auf Github.

@RoterEmil Mit einem regionalen Quest meinte ich ein Quest (eine Aufgabe) mit regionaler Begrenzung. Dafür könnte man einerseits als örtliche Community mehr Werbung machen und andererseits wäre die in vielen Fällen sinnvolle Diskussion im Forum/auf Mailinglisten vor der Einführung der Aufgabe nur auf regionaler Ebene erforderlich. Zudem muss man bei regional begrenzten Aufgaben weniger Sonderfälle und örtliche Eigenheiten betrachten – der Aufgabenautor kennt sie ja schon.

Hallo raibach,

es gab schon Versuche, die hessische Vermessungsverwaltung zur Freigabe zu bewegen, aber soweit ich weiß, scheiterte es am Unwillen im Ministerium. Man muss es einfach hinnehmen, dass manche Ministerien, die für die Vermessungsverwaltung in ihrem Land zuständig sind, etwas weiter sind als andere. Die einen springen auf den Zug auf und erkennen langsam, dass sonst der Zug an ihnen langsam vorbeischleicht, die anderen haben leider Scheuklappen und warten darauf, bis alle BOS-Organisationen in ihrem Land auf einfacher zu lizenzierende Datenquellen umgestiegen sind.

Der Benutzer DD1GJ, der unser Behördenbeauftragter ist, kann dir da mehr dazu erzählen.

Es ist im Rückblick betrachtet unser Glück, dass die Vermessungsverwaltungen sich erst seit etwa fünf Jahren langsam öffnen (nur Bayern hat deutlich früher angefangen). Dadurch haben wir Deutschland noch einmal neu von Grund auf erfasst, die Fehler der Vermessungsverwaltungen vermieden (wir haben fünf Kategorien für Waldwege, die Ämter zwei) und eine Community gebildet, die eine persönliche Beziehung zu ihren Daten hat und dadurch stärker motiviert ist, die Daten zu pflegen. Das ist vermutlich einer der Hauptgründe, warum die deutsche Community überproportional stark in OpenStreetMap ist.

Viele Grüße

Michael

Harald, die Idee lag mir gerade auch auf der Zunge, aber in dem Falle wären regionale Quests unter Umständen besser. Ein globaler Quest würde nicht schaden, lokale binden aber u.U. Leute an die bestehende örtliche Community (Stärkung des Wir-Gefühls usw.).

Which created_by=* tag does this bot set on the changesets it uploads?

Hi BjornRassmussen,

adding highway=service to an area a secondary roads runs through as you did two days ago is tagging for the renderer and discouraged. In addition, applications which do other things based on OSM data than rendering maps, will treat the outer ring of this polygon as a circular service road along the outer boundary of the road area! Please don’t do it. I therefore reverted this change.

If the road is highway=secondary, its area has to have area:highway=secondary. If the roads is highway=tertiary, its area has to have area:highway=tertiary.

Best regards

Michael

Hi mds08011,

thank you for your interest in public transport. But please keep in mind that if you copy bus stops from a third party data source, it is considered as an import. Imports have to be discussed and documented. This might sound like a burden but it ensures that we have the legal permissin to use the data and that your proposed process is well thought out.

As long as you do not copy data directly but just use the GTFS files to plan your mapping and either survey the stops in field or using Mapillary, it is no import.

Best regards

Michael

Hi RicoElectrico,

did you filter our the comments by woodpeck_repair, Nakaner-repair, SomeoneElse_Revert, Peda_repair and Stereo_repair? Their comments are mainly automatic comments by the revert scripts they use. These scripts automatically comment every reverted changeset. That’s why Pascal Neis filters them out at OSM Discussions.

Best regards

Michael

Øukasz wrote: > Places that do not have specific English names, but can have their Arabic names transcribed into Latin alphabet should use name:en-Latn= tag

I think that if the place does not have an English name in real life (I suspect that most villages all around the world have one), the English name should not be tagged at all. In addition, we should not add names to OSM which can be retrieved automatically by our data consumers using transliteration. There is already a map style which does that: The German OSM Carto map style transliterates names in non-Latin script if there is no name in a Latin script available (style, PostgreSQL extension being used for transliteration, talk about that).

Chetan_Gowda wrote: > In general, the data is of good quality […]

How did you assess the quality?

mikelmaron wrote: > Creation of map that has local groups with contact details on it

You can reuse the German Usergroups Bot and its map.

Hi PlaneMad,

German mappers who do a lot of reviewing complain that its changeset always only contain one changed object. See the discussion at Githug and on the German forum.

Best regards

Michael

Hi -karlos-,

thank you for the link.

You could use the Overpass queries given in my entry in the German OSM Blog to search for recently created/modified parks.

Best regards

Michael

Kommentar zu woodpecks letztem Kommentar (1. und 2. Absatz):

Die Wikipedia hat eine Regel, die sich Störe Wikipedia nicht, um etwas zu beweisen nennt und umschreibt die Gründe für die Ungleichbehandlung durch Moderatoren ganz gut.

@Zverik Vespucci and Pushpin are editors. You can only use them for editing. If you install them, you usually know what OSM is.

OsmAnd hides the editing feature in a plugin which has to be activated.

kariototp wrote: > The community along with the data team at Mapbox has helped cleanup many thousands of issues in the last 2 years.

Well, that’s not the truth. A few weeks ago I counted all changeset at the changeset planet dump (2016-08-29) which contain the string “#to-fix”. I found 363,799 changesets with this string and calculated the number of changesets with this string for each OSM user.

Only 136 users (8 are sockpuppets used for imports) uploaded these changesets. 356,143 (97.0 %) of these changeset have been uploaded by Mapbox employees. I only checked the 84 accounts which had the most to-fix changesets if they are Mapbox employees. The 52 other accounts only have uploaded 100 changesets in total.

Hallo Meillo,

ich habe es in einem Kommentar zur englischen Version dieses Blogbeitrags gestern geschrieben und schreibe es gerne noch einmal: Es sieht demokratisch aus, ist es aber nicht. Zwar gab es die Vorschlagsphase, aber die endgültige Auswahl oblag einigen Leuten aus dem OSMF-Vorstand (nicht alle Mitglieder) und der SotM Working Group.

Viele Grüße

Michael