So it is area without buildings for residential purpose, therefore highway=residential is not fitting?
In places where I map even in city centers significant part of buildings along such roads have also apartments (so highway=residential is used). In city center it would be typically highway=living_street/pedestrian.
My understanding of highway=unclassified was that it is for roads forming connections between settlements/villages, sometimes also used as weaker tertiary in cities.
Usage of highway=unlassified like here was not expected for me based on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:highway%3Dunclassified. Note - I recently edited this page with goal of clarifying how this tag should be used. Now it seems likely that I was not fully understanding how this tag is used (corrections and clarification on wiki would be highly welcomed - especially as I am planning on using difference of importance in highway=residential/unclassified as described in http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Mateusz%20Konieczny/diary/35389 ).
wiki editors and mappers are mostly different people, do not believe everything you read in the wiki.
These look like shopping streets and as it is central London , if they were pedestrian or living streets local mappers would have picked that up.
Arartment blocks are not the norm in England/Wales city centres.
Comment from anonymous over 7 years ago
Agree with trigpoint: unclassified is used in both urban & rural situations: residential is best regarded as a special case of unclassified for treating the road hierarchy. I imagine these parts of London were amongst the first to be mapped, and therefore this convention has been in existence for longer than wiki explanations.
> wiki editors and mappers are mostly different people, do not believe everything you read in the wiki.
I find 'mostly' a bit insulting since I'm considering myself a mapper as much as a wiki editor. Searching for contributors with 100+ edits here http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Special:ActiveUsers (seems to be slightly broken, I just pressed the button some times), the 6 i checked where classified at least as "heavy mapper" on http://hdyc.neis-one.org/
In this part of London nobody seems to live since unclassified is everywhere! http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/aUt http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/aUu Landuse is not mapped, so one can't tell from the map. But the usage of unclassified seems excessive here. I would consider a street with shops/offices plus apartments also as residential.
Well there might be *some* people living here, but it's a very densely commercial/retail area here, close to Convent Garden. Here is a photo down Floral Street: https://www.flickr.com/photos/harrywood/26812853077
This would definitely not be called a "residential" street (by english people, taking an english view of road classifications). But it's a minor road, and so it's the other tag: highway=unclassified.
It sounds like maybe that judgement is being made slightly differently by mappers in other countries, but I don't think our use here is disagreeing with what the wiki page says. (It would be a bit strange if it did, because the only reason OpenStreetMap has this badly named tag, is because of UK highway terminology!)
I went and took a photo because I was trying to resolve notes in the area. Can we close this one now? It's not really the right place for a general highway tagging discussion.
You clearly have a vision of when it is correct to use "highway=unclassified" - probably best to explain your view here.
highway=unclassified is normal in this situation, they are not residential or tertiary, how do you propose we tag them?
So it is area without buildings for residential purpose, therefore highway=residential is not fitting?
In places where I map even in city centers significant part of buildings along such roads have also apartments (so highway=residential is used). In city center it would be typically highway=living_street/pedestrian.
My understanding of highway=unclassified was that it is for roads forming connections between settlements/villages, sometimes also used as weaker tertiary in cities.
Usage of highway=unlassified like here was not expected for me based on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:highway%3Dunclassified. Note - I recently edited this page with goal of clarifying how this tag should be used. Now it seems likely that I was not fully understanding how this tag is used (corrections and clarification on wiki would be highly welcomed - especially as I am planning on using difference of importance in highway=residential/unclassified as described in http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Mateusz%20Konieczny/diary/35389 ).
wiki editors and mappers are mostly different people, do not believe everything you read in the wiki.
These look like shopping streets and as it is central London , if they were pedestrian or living streets local mappers would have picked that up.
Arartment blocks are not the norm in England/Wales city centres.
Agree with trigpoint: unclassified is used in both urban & rural situations: residential is best regarded as a special case of unclassified for treating the road hierarchy. I imagine these parts of London were amongst the first to be mapped, and therefore this convention has been in existence for longer than wiki explanations.
Can you improve wiki? "do not believe everything you read in the wiki. " may sound good but there is no better solution.
> wiki editors and mappers are mostly different people, do not believe everything you read in the wiki.
I find 'mostly' a bit insulting since I'm considering myself a mapper as much as a wiki editor. Searching for contributors with 100+ edits here http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Special:ActiveUsers (seems to be slightly broken, I just pressed the button some times), the 6 i checked where classified at least as "heavy mapper" on http://hdyc.neis-one.org/
In this part of London nobody seems to live since unclassified is everywhere! http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/aUt
http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/aUu
Landuse is not mapped, so one can't tell from the map. But the usage of unclassified seems excessive here. I would consider a street with shops/offices plus apartments also as residential.
Well there might be *some* people living here, but it's a very densely commercial/retail area here, close to Convent Garden. Here is a photo down Floral Street: https://www.flickr.com/photos/harrywood/26812853077
This would definitely not be called a "residential" street (by english people, taking an english view of road classifications). But it's a minor road, and so it's the other tag: highway=unclassified.
It sounds like maybe that judgement is being made slightly differently by mappers in other countries, but I don't think our use here is disagreeing with what the wiki page says. (It would be a bit strange if it did, because the only reason OpenStreetMap has this badly named tag, is because of UK highway terminology!)
I went and took a photo because I was trying to resolve notes in the area. Can we close this one now? It's not really the right place for a general highway tagging discussion.
If local mappers determined that note was processed it is always OK to close it :)
Though, can you maybe look at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dunclassified and consider improving it? I made https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag%3Ahighway%3Dunclassified&type=revision&diff=1603797&oldid=1439251 with attempt to make it less likely that somebody will be confused and interpret page as "highway=unclassified is for roads between small settlements and nothing else".