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How can we tag worker-owned shops or cooperatives?

Posted by pizzaiolo on 19 February 2017 in English (English)

Case in point:

It's a bakery set up by anarchists and it is self-managed. There are also examples of self-managed coops, for which I can't find documentation on the wiki. It's also worth debating whether it would be useful to differentiate between coops and more generally worked-owned establishments.

What are you views on it?

What shall we have for diner tonight?

Posted by marczoutendijk on 19 February 2017 in English (English)

What shall we have for diner tonight?

Improving the OSM map - why don’t we (14)

Some thoughts on restaurant and food-tagging on OSM.

A restaurant is considered an amenity and tagged with amenity=restaurant.
One would expect that in order to show what type of restaurant this is, or what food you can eat there, the next step would be:
After all, this is accepted:
But, alas, OSM is differently and so a new tagging was introduced to indicate what we can eat in a restaurant. No, they didn’t choose: food=* , but came up with:
So, the correct tagging for a restaurant and what is served inside is:
This is not so bad at all, because this scheme allows you to tag many more places where you can eat, but which are not considered a restaurant, like a cafe, bar of pub (or a railway station or book shop).
There are some curious constructions however, because to tag a Burger King (or any other fast food restaurant) you can do so in two ways:
By itself, using fast_food as a value for an amenity is rather strange, because to me, fast food is a type of food, belonging to cuisine, not an amenity! (Would you use highway=asphalt? No, of course not, because highway=* expects a function of the highway it describes, not its surface).
The addition of the cuisine=* in the last case is maybe not even necessary, as hamburgers are core business in any fast food restaurant.
Over the years the list of values to assign to the cuisine key has grown (and will keep to do so) and now (february 2017) we have two basic groups in the wiki:

  • 40 values for the type of food (like fish, meat, pizza, burger, kebab, soup, etc.)
  • 53 values for the ethnicity of the food (like italian, greek, chinese, mexican, etc.)

As values from both lists can be combined, this introduces a rich array of possibilities, but also adds confusion. For some people “eating Italian” just means having a pizza ordered, to others it is soup and pasta or a 5 course dinner in a restaurant.
I did some research on the different ways people have used the above tagging system to map restaurants and what you can eat. After all, it is likely that you can eat a variety of food in a restaurant, and that, in turn, requires multiple values to be assigned to a single key.

(note: there have been many discussions on the tagging list as well as numerous postings on the forums on the best way to add and handle multiple values for a single key. Most seen is that different values are separated by semi-colons as can be read in the wiki, but some people think you shouldn’t use multiple values )

Suppose that we allow 4 different values (out of 40) to be used for the type of food (like burger, chicken, donut and kebab), that would give us a maximum of 2 193 360 different combinations. Of course not all combinations make sense, I don’t expect fish-pancake-noodle-casserole to be a frequent combination.
Choosing from the 53 ethnicity values would even give much more possibilities, but, again, not all are to be expected.
I found (among many others) the following combinations (from both lists) in use:

  • chicken;kebab;fish_and_chips
  • pancake;friture;chicken;grill;breakfast;coffee_shop;beef_bowl;russian;fish_and_chips
  • burger;sandwich;pasta;pizza;ice_cream;chicken;coffee_shop
  • burger;sandwich;breakfast;sausage;local;noodles;pasta;pizza;chicken;diner;
  • burger;sandwich;local;chicken;fish_and_chips
  • bagel;breakfast;cake;coffee_shop
  • chicken;burger;grill;oriental;breakfast;pizza;hotdog;kebab;local
  • italian;indian;regional;mexican
  • fataya,sandwich_poulet,hamburgers
  • italian;creative
  • kebab;pizza;schnitzel;sausage;salad
  • indian;vegetarian;chinese
  • italian;pizza

I also found:

  • 짜장면,짬뽕,탕수육,간짜장,우동,짬뽕밥,잡채밥,육개장,잡탕,양장피등등중국요리
  • 早餐:蛋餅,蔥抓餅,饅頭,肉包,炒麵,豆漿,紅茶
  • 돈까스,피자,스파게티
  • Горячиеблюда,гарниры,закуски,салаты,_кампот

In the above list I have marked in bold type those choices that are not in any of the 40 food (or 53 ethnicity) wiki values (excluding the entries in non-Western script). In the current taginfo database there are 21878 occurrences of the cuisine=* tag. The one used most is cuisine=regional that is used 62291 times. But there are also 17849 occurrences of that key which appear only once, but every time with a different combination of values like I showed you above.
The last multiple value in the list above is italian;pizza which has been used 948 times. What exactly does it mean? Pizza is Italian so why bothering adding that also? A simple cuisine=pizza would suffice, or does it mean that you can eat all and every Italian food in a restaurant tagged in this way, but maybe with pizza as something special? I don’t know.

Usually, when a key=value pair occurs only once, it is considered likely to be a typing error (like cuisine=piZza or highway=terziarie) or a new value made up by the mapper (like cuisine=romanesc), but the small sample (taken from the full list of 17849 unique cuisine=* occurrences) above, are not typing errors, but taken from all the possible and valid combinations. How many such combinations are possible? Assume that we allow 2 choices from the ethnicity values and 4 from the food values, then we have a maximum of 53 x 52 x 40 x 39 x 38 x 37 = 6 044 900 160 possible values for the cuisine=* tag! (Yes that is: six-billion fourtyfour-million ninehundred-thousand and onehundred and sixty)

Which way to go?

I have seen proposals of adding the complete merchandise of certain shops to the OSM database. By doing so we would be able to query OSM for “the nearest shop where I can buy an ironing board”
To me that makes no sense at all, as there is no way of getting all that data reliable into OSM. And maintaining it would be an ever bigger challenge.

Should we try to do the same with restaurants and food?
Given the rather careless manner in which the multiple valued tags for cuisine have been used (a result from the database design we are using which allows for any combination of keys and values - in any language - without any error checking at all), I don’t see any usability soon for applications - based on what is in the OSM database - that can compete with what already is on the market for customers. Have you ever spoke to anyone who tried to find out where he/she would go for dinner tonight - including selecting what to eat - by using OSM?
One - fairly big - problem is that roughly one-half of the restaurants has no cuisine tag at all, making it useless for what you were trying to find out (“what can I eat?”).

I know that we can put anything in the OSM database, but we cannot put everything in it.
Let us focus on getting data (as much as we can) into OSM that turns it into a great map (that includes showing where I can find a restaurant), but shall we avoid creating a mediocre restaurant and food guide? now supports internationalization, geolocation in browser

Posted by CloCkWeRX on 19 February 2017 in English (English)

Keen to make it even easier to contribute to OSM, I threw a few pull requests at - the github repository behind the wonderful

Its now possible for someone to use the 'locate me' control when adding their business; a small but important improvement for mobile users.

iandees has also been kind enough to clean up a few existing pull requests around internationalization - now supports English, Portguese(Brazillian), and Italian. If you'd like to localize it, its really easy - just fork the github repository and create a new file in the locales directory.

There are a few other experiments for it pending, such as 'sync my business details from a facebook page I own', or 'upload details of 5+ locations from a CSV'.

Ultimately, I'd be keen to provide an experience similar to a 'manage my google listings' scenario - both google and facebook have seen a lot of uptake from business owners. While business owners dont have quite the same incentive with OSM, I am really keen to make it as easy as possible if they choose to publish to OSM.

There are a few other ideas in the works, like "Invite a business owner to share/update their details", or "check how my OSM listing appears on open data sites -, mapillary/openstreetcam, missing attributes, etc"

What do you see as the ultimate, simplest entry point to getting a business onto OSM with accurate, useful details?

(Semi) automating street name expansions

Posted by cowdog on 19 February 2017 in English (English)

I've been working on a JOSM script to expand abbreviated street names. There are hundreds (if not thousands) in the Plainfield, IL area.

This is extremely tedious work without so form of automation. So far I have reviewed every name change and it's been working awesome.

I wrote up instructions at the GitHub link above. Give it a try yourself or let me know if you find an area with a lot of abbreviated names.

Location: West Hazelcrest Drive, Plainfield, Will County, Illinois, 60544, United States of America

The OSM website now has a context menu (right-click menu)!

Posted by mcld on 18 February 2017 in English (English)

It gives me great pleasure to announce that the OpenStreetMap website now has a context menu! Also known as a right-click menu:

Context menu in action

You might not think this is big news, but I do. A few people asked for this feature in the past, and eventually I proposed some code for it. It took 18 months for the proposal to be merged into the website codebase - why? Primarily because OSM is built and run by volunteers with limited time, but also because my Javascript skills weren't quite up to adding the important polish and tests that are needed for production-ready code. A million thanks to Tom Hughes for improving my not-quite-finished proposal, and for all the feedback that helped me understand how to do things right.

Visit to Mbale university

Posted by Farydh on 18 February 2017 in English (English)

Yesterday was a great day as I had chance to be a part of the mapping work shop held in Uganda Christian University Mbale, Uganda. We had a chance to be reminded of the good mapping practices and tips and also introduced to validation. it was a great excitement to us all learning how to validate and giving feedback to people who mapped the tasks. All thanks to Mr. Kateregga Geoffrey for the great work done.

Location: Mbalwa, Bbuto, Kira, Wakiso, Central Region, Uganda

taginfo: pub vs. place_of_worship

Posted by ImreSamu on 18 February 2017 in English (English)

fixing "network=Barclays Cycle Hire" in London

Posted by mcld on 18 February 2017 in English (English)

I've just written to the UK and London mailing lists, suggesting a bulk edit to fix the outdated "network=Barclays Cycle Hire" in London. Harry proposed this 1 year ago.

Happy Cow IDs

Posted by mcld on 18 February 2017 in English (English)

Happy Cow is a website listing food places that vegetarians and vegans can use. The site has been going since 1999 and seems pretty well-established. I've proposed a tag for cross-referencing against Happy Cow.

Chasing All Hallows through Gedling

Posted by alexkemp on 18 February 2017 in English (English)

As best as I can work out, the first photo that I took of All Hallows Church, Gedling was on September 19, 2016 from near the top of Chatsworth Avenue looking north north east:–

all hallows church, gedling

September 21 2016 saw me receive the chilling news about The Chancel Tax.

Throughout the rest of September & October I kept my head down & mapped to the West then North. By 23 November it was Arnold Lane outside Scot Grave Farm heading south-east and suddenly we caught a distant view of the church again:-

Arnold Lane at Scotgrave Farm

All my mapping was now heading towards the church, and by December, then 2017, there were constant opportunities for closer & closer views of the church:

December 18, Linby Close: Linby close, gedling

January 10, 2017, Besecar Avenue: Arnold Lane at Besecar Avenue

January 10, 2017, Arnold Lane Cemetery: Arnold Lane Cemetery

January 23, 2017, Apple Tree Lane: Apple Tree Lane, Gedling

January 31, Queen's Avenue: Queen's Avenue, Gedling

January 31, Lymn Avenue 1: Lymn Avenue 1, Gedling

January 31, Lymn Avenue 2: Lymn Avenue 2, Gedling

February 13, Cotgrave Avenue 1: Cotgrave Avenue 1, Gedling

February 13, Cotgrave Avenue 2: Cotgrave Avenue 2, Gedling

Caught it!
February 13, Arnold Lane 1: Arnold Lane 1, Gedling

February 13, Arnold Lane 2: Arnold Lane 2, Gedling

February 13, Arnold Lane 3: Arnold Lane 3, Gedling

February 13, Friday Lane 1: Friday Lane 1, Gedling

February 13, Friday Lane 2: Friday Lane 2, Gedling

Location: Arnold and Carlton, Gedling, Nottinghamshire, East Midlands, England, United Kingdom


Posted by tanakorn on 17 February 2017 in Thai (ไทย)


Location: ท่าน้ำนนทบุรี, ตำบลสวนใหญ่, อำเภอเมืองนนทบุรี, จังหวัดนนทบุรี, 11000, ประเทศไทย

Micromapping gone wrong

Posted by ff5722 on 17 February 2017 in English (English)

Worst of all, this data was uploaded by someone using JOSM...

Location: G205, Huolonggang, Yijiang District, Wuhu City, Anhui, China

Finding dragged nodes

Posted by PlaneMad on 17 February 2017 in English (English)

Stumbled upon this mistakenly dragged node thats been hanging around Sheffield for the last two months. Considering its not fixed despite having a highly active mapping community, wonder if some tooling could have helped flagged this to local mappers sooner.

screenshot 2017-02-17 18 33 50

Ideas on how to prevent such edits in future? Any existing QA tools that highlight this?

Location: Stannington, Bradfield CP, Sheffield, Yorkshire and the Humber, England, S10, United Kingdom

Alpine Ski World Championship meets OpenStreetMap: Who are the Mapping Champions?

Posted by SGroe on 17 February 2017 in English (English)

These days, every ski enthusiast keeps an eye on St. Moritz (Switzerland), the host of the Alpine World Ski Championship 2017. As ski and map enthusiast, one of my eyes is always on skiing while the other is on mapping as well, more specifically on community mapping with OpenStreetMap. While watching ski races on TV, I had the idea for taking a closer look at skiing-related features in OpenStreetMap, in particular on the St. Moritz resort, but also skiing resorts worldwide. In this blog post, I conduct an analysis on OpenStreetMap features related to alpine skiing, revealing the evolution of aerial lifts and ski pistes. Following the spirit of the ski world championship, I award gold, silver and bronze medals to outstanding OSM contributors.

Pistes and aerial lifts at the Corviglia-Marguns-Piz Nair winter sports resort at St. Moritz, Switzerland, host of the 2017 Alpine Ski World Championship Pistes and aerial lifts at the Corviglia-Marguns-Piz Nair winter sports resort at St. Moritz, Switzerland, host of the 2017 Alpine Ski World Championship (WC) (Map data and background: © OpenStreetMap contributors; yellow area indicates WC race pistes)

Continue to read here ...

Location: Alp dal Staz, Celerina/Schlarigna, Maloja, Grisons, Switzerland

OSM-Tirana 2017! (planing mapping the city and the periphery)

Posted by DenisJu on 17 February 2017 in English (English)


në këtë postim do mundohem të paraqes gjëndjen aktuale të osm-mapping të qytetit (+rrethina) të Tiranës. Gjithashtu, ky postim mund të përdoret edhe për ndryshimet e kategorive të ndryshme që mund të bëhen si plankategori të kartografisë në hapat e mëtejshëm.

Përshkrimi i kategorive të mëposhtme:

highways (pothuajse është në versionin e parë të përfundimit total)

  • motorway
  • primary
  • secondary
  • tertiary
  • unclassified
  • residential
  • service
  • etj

places (pjesërisht; mungojnë shumë emërtime)

  • suburban
  • etj

emergency (pjesërisht; mungojnë shumë emërtime)

  • ambulance station
  • firestation

amenity (pjesërisht; mungojnë shumë emërtime dhe ato aktualet duhen verifikuar)

  • education (school, college, kindergarden, university, library, etj)
  • healthcare (hospital, pharmacy, social facility, veterinary, dentist, doctors, clinic, etj)
  • financial (bank, atm)


  • theatre
  • art centre
  • casino
  • social centre
  • community centre
  • cinema
  • nightclub
  • stripclub
  • etj


  • bus station
  • bus terminal
  • taxi
  • bicycle parking
  • bicycle station
  • bicycle rental
  • camping
  • etj

leisure (ka pak POI's, point of interest, megjithëse shtohen pothuajse çdo ditë)

  • për emërtimet e tyre po vendos një link

tourism (pjesërisht; për ato ekzistueset mungojnë informacione të sakta dhe verifikimi i tyre!!!)

  • hotels
  • motels
  • hostels
  • camp site
  • attractions
  • etj


  • me këtë kategori për mendimin tim mund të vazhdohet kur ka një infrastrukturë të rregullt rrugore me emërtimet e rrugëve
  • sistemi i adresave është problem në vehte që ndoshta duhet diskutuar më vonë

Kategoria "highway" pothuajse është në përfundim e sipër. Ka disa muaj që merrem me të dhe mungon vetëm proçesi "fine tunning" me disa verifikime aktuale në terren, veçanërisht kryqëzimet e mëdha (së bashku me footway, pedestrian crossing, traffic signal, etj). Dhe ky proçes është në punë intensive.

Kam renditur kategoritë sipas rëndësisë së tyre për gjendjen aktuale që gjendet harta e Tiranës.

Mendoj që ky përshkrim të shërbej edhe si orientues i proçesit të kartografimit të OSM-Tirana.

Map Features mund ti gjeni këtu.

osm wiki-in e gjuhës shqipe do mundohem të strukturoj edhe hapat e parë për mapper-at e rinj dhe një hyrje fillestare në programin josm dhe pse ta përdorim atë që në fillim.

(diskutim i hapur)

Location: Lapraka, Tiranë, Tirana, Tirana County, Berat County, Albania

Welches GPS Gerät?

Posted by fromnai on 16 February 2017 in German (Deutsch)

Hallo zusammen, ich bin auf der Suche nach einem GPS Gerät. Aktuell schwebt mir das Garmin Oregon 600 (das erste in der Tabelle ) vor Augen. Hat damit jemand Erfahrungen? :)

Are you joking ??

Posted by yvecai on 16 February 2017 in English (English)

No, seriously, c'mon! "map screenshot with lots of small squares"

I had to check on to see if my Opensnowmap has a problem. No, it's perfectly fine. But fine for who ?

It's not like there is no mapper in the US, as at least one of them made something like this a very long time ago (6 years). Is there anybody in the US using OSM? Is there any US-based company using OSM? It seems a bit stupid to do so at first sight, isn't it?

print-fold-paste-💢💣💥-paste-fold map

Posted by GOwin on 16 February 2017 in English (English)

dymaxion on icosahedron

It's almost easy, and definitely fun if you have an hour or so to tinker. ;)

I've been trying to look for a mapping activity for kids 6-12, and I remembered a project I saw in an OSM blog 0, and thought I'd try it out.

This is better suited for 11+ years old, including some adults. Maybe.

H/T to smaprs.

Note to self: a bigger paper could make this a lot easier.


Location: Clairmont Townhomes 1, Hagdang Bato Ibaba, Mandaluyong, Metro Manila, 1550, Philippines

High-resolution mapping of the Southern-most location in the Caribbean (Turbo, Antioquia, Colombia)

Posted by MangleBlanco on 15 February 2017 in English (English)

The Caribbean Sea is seen in the imagination of most people as an area of clear waters, paradise islands, and peaceful beaches. In the best of the instances, it is also seen as the land of dwarf mangroves border-lining creeks on coral islands.

However, the Souhtern-most tip of the Caribbean Sea located in Colombia close to the border with Panama is a different story. This location is known in world maps as the Urabá Gulf or the Darién Gulf. It is a U-shape entrance of the sea into South America formed by the clash of the tectonic plates of the Caribbean, Nazca and the Pacific. Such a geological activity gave rise to the Isthmus of Panamá and created a fracture in a North-South direction that formed the main axis of the Urabá Gulf. Therefore, this gulf is surrounded by two main coastal ridges: the Serranía del Darién to the West and the Serranía de Abibe to the East. Both mark the limits of the geological plates, the Isthmus (or Meso America) and South America, respectively.

Such an impressive geological history not only formed a coastline with a distinctive landscape from the rest of the Caribbean in the neighboring areas: Panama and Colombia.

It also promote a major change in the hydrology of an ancient river, the Atrato. Being formed in the upper part of the Western Cordillera of Colombia in the Pacific side of South America, one of the rainiest places on Earth (annual rainfall: >8 meters!), the Atrato river drains a world-class discharge. Such discharge once ran to the Pacific before of the closure of the Panama Isthmus. But nearly 3 million years ago the course of this magnificent river was diverted to the North and ended discharging into the Urabá Gulf, now the Southern-most end of the Caribbean Sea.

The change promoted the mangroves to flourish and growth to a point not seen in the Caribbean coast of Panama and Colombia.

This unique land has been subject of a mapping effort aimed at understanding its biogeographic features and history.

After a decade of scientific exploration, my research group is moving from the fields of coastal ecology, landscape ecology and biogeography, to coastal zone and urban planning, as well as to sustainability of coastal livelihoods.

Mapping human settlements and using open source data has become a priority for us. In the following link the reader and mapper will see the evidence of both the wilderness of the area and the human threats to them:

The rest of the world deserves to know and the local livelihoods need the support to prevent destruction of this natural heritage and better-planning of urban settlement. Open source data seem to me an answer to both task.

Today, I commit myself to provide high-resolution data for mapping for humanitarian projects.

Welcome to the Southern Caribbean.

Juan F. Blanco-Libreros, MangleBlanco

Location: 62, Bellavista, Turbo, Antioquia, Colombia

Landkarte in JPG Datei herunterladen

Posted by megusta13 on 15 February 2017 in German (Deutsch)


ich brauche einen Kartenausschnitt - Landkarte mit Spanien, Südfrankreich, Italien. - Größere Städte sollten eingezeichnet sein. - Wenn möglich in ansprechender Farbgebung - Es sollte eine PDF Datei sein - die man ausdrucken kann.

In diese Karte möchte ich Routen einzeichnen und präsentieren.

Wer kann mir bei der Erstellung helfen? Danke schon mal vorab!

Location: CV-780, Jijona/Xixona, Alacantí, Alicante, Valencianische Gemeinschaft, Spanien
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