Changeset: 46813454
added parks, corrected a name, roller skating!
Closed by neuhausr
Tags
build | 2.4-46-gea38865 |
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created_by | Potlatch 2 |
version | 2.4 |
Discussion
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Comment from Polarbear
Hi neuhausr, what is the source for the geometry of your edits? In Bing, your Nelson Park (way 480215740) runs across a school ground on its east side, and the allotments (way 230236046) looks more like a single garden?
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Comment from neuhausr
Pretty clearly a community garden from the imagery, and here's a reference: https://www.stlouispark.org/bronx-park/bronx-park-neighborhood.html I used the city map for Nelson Park boundaries: https://www.stlouispark.org/webfiles/file/ir/2016/citywidemap-24x24.pdf But yeah looks like it may have changed with construction?
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Comment from Polarbear
Sorry to tell you, but you MUST NOT copy from other maps. In this case, the website you cite holds a copyright for their content, including their map PDF. Openstreetmap is about creating a map without copyrighted sources. Beside the legal reasons, you see here that the map you used in incorrect, and you copied their mistake.
As for the community garden, it is not landuse=allotment then, it is leisure=garden and you can specify garden:type=community
I have fixed those two for now.
For the park you changed the name, how would you know Keystone is correct? It is in Blackstone Av, so OSM could have been correct, and another error in your city map? -
Comment from neuhausr
Sorry I did not notice the copyright on the city website. However, you're wrong about the garden, see the allotments page on the wiki "Allotment gardens are characterised by a concentration in one place of a few or up to several hundreds of land parcels that are assigned to individuals or families" Maybe it's different in Germany, but in the US that describes community gardens.
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Comment from neuhausr
BTW, parks data is also available from the county government's open data portal here: http://gis-hennepin.opendata.arcgis.com/datasets/c76bcca7eb564523b6a1cf2807cbc481_3
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Comment from Polarbear
In the US, governmental work tend to be in the Public Domain, so your open data portal might be a suitable source. Please check the details of the particular database, and give the source of your information in the changesets.
As for Allotments, the wiki definition asks for a larger plot of land, that is parcelled, and those parcels are assigned to individuals. The garden in our example does not look parcelled. Please read the second line on the wiki page which clearly distinguishes from community gardens. Please note OSM mostly uses British English for creating tags, so the AmE meaning of allotment does not apply.
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Comment from neuhausr
1) it looks clearly parceled to me--have you looked at the Bing imagery? 2) I live in this area and know a lot of community gardens, they are run *as described on the allotments page*. Unless you have some local knowledge to the contrary please change the garden's tag back. Thanks.
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Comment from Polarbear
Hi, meanwhile I have received pictures from a fellow mapper, which show that the label is "Bronx Park Community Garden". There are some small fences around the flowerbeds but more against the rabbits. The city manages them by allocating flowerbeds to individuals annually (https://www.stlouispark.org/environment/community-gardens-in-st-louis-park.html), but not in the European sense which defines OSM-landuse-allotments. Thus leisure=garden and garden:type=community is the perfect fit, exactly following https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:garden:type
Ways (8)
- Dakota Park (480215739), v1
- Nelson Park (480215740), v1
- 480215741, v1
- West 32nd Street (6020155), v3
- 56723602, v2
- Keystone Park (158621131), v2
- Roller Garden (45026963), v2
- 191654877, v2
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