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Changeset: 144808909
This portion of abandoned railroad has not been designated a public trail within the Reservation Boundary. The Palouse to Cascades Trail ends at the State of Washington border. This delineated line should be deleted.
Closed by Jason Brown CdA Tribe
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| created_by | iD 2.27.3 |
| host | https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit |
| ideditor:walkthrough_progress | welcome;navigation;point;area;startEditing |
| ideditor:walkthrough_started | yes |
| imagery_used | Bing Maps Aerial |
| locale | en-US |
| review_requested | yes |
Discussion
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Comment from Glassman
From the imagery, it appears that a road exists on what was once a railrail bed. As long as a feature exists, it can and should be mapped in OSM. It is appropriate to tag it as no access if it is posted as such.
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Comment from Jason Brown CdA Tribe
What you are viewing on aerial imagery is not an established road. It is the abandoned railroad bed that continues to be illegally used and accessed as a thoroughfare. Simply designating/tagging it as "No Access" does not prevent people from mapping routes in Strava/Garmin, etc. and continuing to illegally access the Coeur d'Alene Tribe's private property. I'll reiterate the entire route/line within the Coeur d'Alene Tribe Reservation boundary has NOT been designated a recreational trail which Open Map labels as the Palouse to Cascades and/or John Wayne Pioneer Trail. At a minimum the currently designated route should be clipped to not route through the Tribe's property.
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Comment from Jason Brown CdA Tribe
You should also be aware that within the State of Idaho and the Coeur d'Alene Reservation land does not have to be posted as Private or No Access. It is incumbent upon the person recreating to insure that the property they are accessing is open to the public. Your "Relations (1)" below are somewhat humorous to me. If we are going to verify accuracy, please show me, where the "Palouse to Cascades State Park Trail" has been designated by the Coeur d'Alene Tribe or even the State of Idaho as a recreational trail, open to the public. I'll save you the research, it hasn't. It has however been done so in the State of Washington, which does not have the ability to extend that designation into another State and certainly not within the Sovereign boundaries of the Coeur d'Alene Tribe.
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Comment from Glassman
I think we are getting off to a bad start. I'm only trying help you edit successfully in OSM. OSM is a community project with over a million volunteer mappers and a few paid ones by large corporations like Amazon, Meta (Facebook), and others. One of the standards of OSM is that we map what is on the ground—including in places where it is against the law to do so, such as North Korea or even China.
You are certainly correct in removing the name of the Cascades State Park Trail. If it doesn't exist there it shouldn't be tagged. However, if there is a road there, it should be tagged.
And I fully agree that Washington State can't designate features in another state let alone the Coeur d'Alene Tribe or any tribe within Washington State for that matter.
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