Posted by numbfew on 18 July 2012 in English (English)

I must be Americanised, to know that sidewalk means pavement, or walkway. Or maybe I’m not.

Just read about sidewalk mapping on:

I think this complexity in knowing these different keys and tags is a barrier to entry for beginners. Sure there will be those who live and breathe openstreetmap who will know these. But I only found these out today. They weren’t on the highway=* Key page.

Now I’ll have to go back and add “footway=sidewalk” to some of my routes. I was considering just using “Sidewalk=both” for some of the roads. Or “Sidewalk=left” on Pandanus Street, Fisher.

Such a PITA, to be honest. I guess I better learn about Search/Replace, or Filter, or whatever JOSM has.

Just thinking: why can’t I send an entry e.g. Fire hydrant at -35.352531, 149.059360

Maybe in an email, or a iPhone app. And then it appears—maybe after a couple of hours, couple of days, or a week. But it appears. Why do I have to go to a computer, launch JOSM, then load here, load GPX/waypoints file, click click click, then remember it’s emergency=fire_hydrant, and not amenity=firehydrant, source=survey, then upload.

I have done some address interpolation, which actually looks nice on the map. lt’s getting warmer out, which makes things easier.

Also tried some relations, for signed bicycle routes. Another thing that is annoying. So I don’t actually get to see lcn=yes (local routes I think) on the Standard map. But the Cycle map takes a few days to update. So… I guess I just wait to see what it looks like before proceeding to label other cycle routes.

So I feel to know what has been mapped, one has to load the editor. That’s fine I guess. But it’s a bit annoying. For instance, I can’t zoom in lots on the map, so I can’t remember what has and hasn’t been mapped? Whether I’ve added XYZ shop, because it’s not visible on the Standard map.

So I appreciate the fairly low bar to getting to use openstreetmap. But I wonder if having the bar too low, then becomes frustrating as one then seeks out information that makes them have to constantly revisit their past work.

Trying out a couple of bicycle mounts for the etrex. The Garmin one is solid, but not that easy to remove. Going to try the RAM one.

Next, going to try to understand junctions. Probably will have to, when the redactor bot reaches Canberra, and some of the roads will need redoing.

JOSM also needs more keyboard inputs. e.g. adding a new key/tag. Shouldn’t have to reach for the mouse for things like that. (EDIT: alt-a does exactly this. RTFM) I appreciate that JOSM has never crashed on me though.

Feeling about negative about Openstreetmap at the mo.

Comment from Chaos99 on 18 July 2012 at 13:21

There once was a twitter gateway which could add features at the local position. I've unfortunately forgotten the name and url.

There are specialized apps which also make things easier, especially for POI node-only features. Take a look at Mapzen or YAPIS.

If you want something like 'fire hydrant at x, y', try A click on the map, a freeform text edit. Done. (The parsing of course will be done by humans, which takes a while.)

Best regards, Chaos

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Comment from Rovastar on 18 July 2012 at 14:18

If you don't think more detail is needed. (You have a load of detail in your area)

I would not feel under pressure to micro-map everything. Just take your time and map thinks you like and you think other people could sensibly need.

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Comment from robert on 18 July 2012 at 15:34

Junctions are more important than sidewalks (to learn).

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Comment from Paul Johnson on 18 July 2012 at 16:13

Please use relations for routes (like the LCN), not tagging the way.

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Comment from maxolasersquad on 19 July 2012 at 15:10

I didn't know about footway=sidewalk and am glad to now know. When I'm out-and-about I usually use either Vespucci to make edits then-and-their, or the Mapquest app to file MapDust bugs that I then fix when I get home.

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Comment from smsm1 on 23 July 2012 at 10:23

Here is a map showing the use of the sidewalk tag:

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