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Introducing Team Surrey

Posted by Wynndale on 25 January 2012 in English (English)

North-west Surrey was mapped early by a mapper who has not accepted the ODBL and contributor terms. As such, tagging doesn’t always reflect the latest ideas and it will go away in a few months’ time.

A few of us have been tackling this backlog. I’ve removed most of the non-compliant mapping from Weybridge so that mappers can work and most roads have been remapped. But there’s more work to do.

Team Surrey is a project to remap Surrey to the latest standards and to plug the ODBL deficit maintain the good mapping in the county.

Location: Church Street, Elmbridge, Surrey, South East England, England, KT13 8DH, United Kingdom

Comment from Andy Allan on 26 January 2012 at 09:30

Great to hear about the progress on this - would love it if you can keep everyone up to date with how you all get on.

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Comment from nm7s9 on 26 January 2012 at 11:04

Excellent stuff.

I'm sure you'll have the area looking better than new in no time flat.

And THIS time your info will be there for (probably) hundreds of years!!!!!

I love the "hole in the red" that is appearing in this area.

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Comment from robert on 26 January 2012 at 11:25

Great initiative.

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Comment from Firefishy on 26 January 2012 at 12:00

Brilliant. So when are we having an on-the-ground mapping party? :)

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Comment from Wynndale on 26 January 2012 at 13:08

Anyone free on 10th or 11th February?

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Comment from Firefishy on 26 January 2012 at 22:17

11th Feb works for me.

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Comment from dcp on 27 January 2012 at 16:33

In this context: A question to Andy Allen!
Is it true that if a user does not accept the ODBL and contributor terms then his/her data will be eliminated forever? I was not aware of this as I could not be bothered to follow the issue or debate on it.
If so, can I do the following:
Isolate the users in question (using the filter function in JOSM) within my area of interest: Change the data a little bit to give it my user-name and therewith keep the data for a few hundred years or am I not allowed to do this.
It seems like a simple solution. It just needs to publish somewhere!

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Comment from zmonkey on 28 January 2012 at 09:22

Well dcp, that is just laundering non open data to make it look like it's open.
To me, it's not different than looking at a google map and going 'oh, that's main street'.. then naming a traced out street on OSM as 'Main Street'.

I think the project would be better off if a bot deleted all the data, and normal users added streets from open sources.

The other question is a good one: will the non ODBL streets be deleted, or is this just speculation?

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Comment from c2r on 28 January 2012 at 15:22

my understanding is that a way, node or relation will be deleted permanently, based on the user that created the way or node, taking all edits with it.

http://cleanmap.poole.ch/?zoom=8&lat=51.747&lon=-0.294 shows you cleanmap; how the map will probably look after the deletion has occurred, and badmap, a map based on data that will be deleted.

http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=wtfe&lon=-0.16223&lat=51.55590&zoom=10&overlays=overview,wtfe_point_clean,wtfe_line_clean,wtfe_point_harmless,wtfe_line_harmless,wtfe_point_modified,wtfe_line_modified_cp,wtfe_line_modified,wtfe_point_created,wtfe_line_created_cp,wtfe_line_created

this link is better for knowing exactly which nodes and ways are affected.

Given my job involves driving the motorways of the UK, I'm using a combination of GPS and Bing to remap these; and also do the same with areas near to me. I'm going to be doing the M40 in the next few days...

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Comment from Wynndale on 28 January 2012 at 15:44

I have been treating the work of the main non-accepting mapper in the area as possible trap mapping and making a clean map. For instance I got no response when I asked why he had given a road a number I could not find on other sources and some cycle routes he put on the map appear to have been invented by a club he belongs to.

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