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Wikipedia - OpenStreetMap : association requested.

Posted by Wikigraphist on 14 February 2009 in English (English)

Hello,

INTRODUCTION:
I'm one of the 'Wikigraphists' leaders, creating maps for Wikipedia.
We have create several Map Labs :
* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:GL/MAP (new)
* http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:AG/C
* http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kartenwerkstatt
On the French and German labs, wikigraphists created about 2.000 maps in 3 years.

WIKIPEDIA'S COLORS CONVENTIONS:
We are used to pick up roads data from OpenStreetMap. But we have our own Wiki-skin (colors conventions) :
* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Maps/Conventions/Exchanges_maps
These conventions and colors have been choice after long talks, for Encyclopedic use : we need less objects than you, but with more vivid colors. Thus, our maps may be include in wiki articles.

NB: we also have our own SVG toolbox :
* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Maps/Conventions#SVG_Tool_box_template

REQUEST :
# Is it possible to customize my account (CSS), to directly get maps display in the Wikipedia style ?
# May some open-street maps programmers think a little about such Wikipedia-OpenStreetMap association.

Please, answer there too :
* http://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Discussion_Wikipédia:Atelier_graphique&action=edit§ion=new (don't clic, pls copy link)

Comment from seav on 14 February 2009 at 10:16

Yug, is this you?

You might remember me as one of the members of the English WikiProject Maps. I also contribute here in OSM.

Please check out these two pages:

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Comment from Wikigraphist on 14 February 2009 at 10:55

Yeap, it's me~ I'm discovered ! :]

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Comment from Wikigraphist on 14 February 2009 at 11:24

Oh. Ok.
Wikigraphists already use the way you talked about ("An alternative is to get an SVG output from the Export tab of the main map and customize to your heart's content.")
But that will divide our work in hundreds maps, impossible to update all together.

QUESTIONS :
* Is it tecnicaly possible to get such 'skin' working on Open street map directly ?
* May OpenStreetMap provide allow this ? Who contact ? Where ?

WHY (Short term):
Walk toward a STRONG collaboration could really ease the integration of OpenStreetMaps into wikipedia city/town articles such as NY, Paris, HongKong, etc.
Actually, I, and many leading Wikigraphists hope that OpenStreetMap may be MORE, FAR MORE integrate like a 'patch' to Wikipedia. Allowing wiki users to enter the coordinates of an area, and get the area's roads, in wikistyle, display into the wikipedia article.
(in a wikipedia page's code, a code such:


Would display the roads of Paris, in wikipedia style)

ACTUALLY:
To be frank, I think OpenStreetMap WILL, and HAVE TO become the core of wikipedia map making, as well as wikipedia map display. The 2 projects are similar in their spirit. And OpenStreetMap technology alone can allow wikipedia to get a professional look on the Map side.
Indeed, the Graphic lab testify that on 5.000 images creations, ~2.000-2.500 have been MAPS (!). Maps are a core aspect of Wikipedia's illustrations. Wikipedia NEED your technology, as well as you can get far highest visibility in the process of a STRONG collaboration.

So, who on OpenStreetMap can choice to move to a such STRONG COLLABORATION way ?

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Comment from bruce89 on 14 February 2009 at 12:00

The map is made up of prerendered tiles, so having the ability to have different "themes" for each user would add massive strain to the (already over-used) servers. The only way to to this would be setting up your own server. Failing that, modifying the SVG output could be useful.

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Comment from ivansanchez on 14 February 2009 at 12:55

I'm thinking about CloudMade's Style Editor. As a company, they have the resources to render customized maps in a jiffy. It's run by SteveC and NickB, I do think you should talk to them. See: http://cloudmade.com/products/style-editor

Failing that, custom PostgreSQL server and custom Mapnik WMS. Ask the talk-dev mailing list.

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Comment from Wikigraphist on 14 February 2009 at 13:42

@Bruce:
Set up our own server means to split in 2 roads database :
* one on OpenStreetMap.org , still continously update and improving.
* one on my server, still missing a lot of content, and not update like OSMap.org

@Ivan
O.O !
* http://cloudmade.com/products/style-editor and...
* http://cloudmade.com/products/style-editor/demo
is really interesting ! I hope I can create a style there, and export it~ to later share it with OSMap... maybe 8]

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Comment from ivansanchez on 14 February 2009 at 14:26

@Wikigraphist:
If you want to set up your own separate database, there are a lot of tools to keep it up-to-date...

e.g. set up a PostgreSQL DB and a (customized) Mapnik renderer on top of it. Then, load an initial planet with Osmosis, then set up Osmosis to load the hourly planet diffs into your DB.

Your DB will be, at worst, one hour behind the OSM one. If you really, really care about up-to-dateness, you can set up minutely diffs, so your DB will be just one or two minutes behind the OSM one.

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Comment from LivingWithDragons on 14 February 2009 at 14:48

Someone did some clever thing on most of the Durham University college wiki pages, e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Cuthbert%27s_Society

There is one OSM image for Durham, and it is displayed in the template with the addition of a dot marking the latitude and longitude given in the article. Perhaps this could be expanded to work out which image(map tile) needs to be displayed under the dot.

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Comment from Wikigraphist on 14 February 2009 at 15:08

@LivingWDragons
YES. I hope that, in 2-3 years, the Wikimedia foundation and OpenStreetMap will work so closely that every single city article may get AUTOMATICALLY or semi-automatically:
* a such map and dot (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Cuthbert%27s_Society )
* in the wikipedia_style (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Maps/Conventions/Exchanges_maps )...
* ...or the user's selected style (out of ~5 allowed map styles, in "my preferences").
I encourage to move toward this ! That would be great to have wikipedia with better maps than Britannica 8]

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Comment from Pieren on 14 February 2009 at 19:01

It's great if wikipedia and OSM could work closer. But it does not exempt Wikipedia to give the attribution, which is not the case here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Cuthbert%27s_Society

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Comment from Bourrichon on 14 November 2010 at 19:41

Salut Wikigraphist, tu es démasqué ;)

je travaille de plus en plus avec les données svg d'OSM. Je n'arrive pas à les exporter séparément selon le type d'objet mais bon... au moins les cours d'eau, les routes, etc. sont faites, il n'y a plus qu'à changer leur style dans Inkscape.

Les chartes graphiques d'OSM et de WP diffèrent, parce qu'elle ont un objectif différent, mais quand même, quel dommage... je me demande si on ne pourrait pas accepter la charte graphique d'OSM pour les plan de villes, ce qui permettrait à WP d'intégrer une "slippy map" ([[FR:Slippy Map]]) à tous les articles de villes - ou si ce n'est pas possible, une carte statique rapidement réalisable avec http://www.maposmatic.org/jobs/.

A+ Yug !
Bourrichon

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