Harry Wood has commented on the following diary entries

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Meo choi bong da 19 days ago


Long Names of OpenStreetMap 4 months ago

I put reply to this on the wiki here: mainly because my osm account was weirdly broken for a while, and I couldn't reply here ... but also it's good to discuss 'name' issues there

Retaining New Users 5 months ago

heh. Sorry yes. I suppose i might have been referring to your suggestions in the blog post, but no! I like your suggestions! There's just one spam comment above here (which will hopefully not remain here for too much longer)

Retaining New Users 5 months ago


Heavy Usage on OSM Sites 7 months ago

It might be a "quick" way to the info, but a "better" way to get the info would be the talk mailing list, the osmf-talk mailing list IRC, the OWG contact email, github issue, or ...actually pretty much any of the contact channels would have been more appropriate than a diary entry.

Heavy Usage on OSM Sites 7 months ago

Why did you post this question as a user diary entry?

One Does Not Simply Walk into Mordor... 8 months ago

Unfortunately "Mordor" looked a bit like vandalism. A "V" shaped patch of woodland near Cork. I was asking about it here: but it has also just been deleted. I guess the route will stop working when that change flushes through

A Rant: The Way Beyond Craftmapping That Nobody Is Talking About 8 months ago


a number of people have taken offense at the term “craft”

No the term "Craft" is fine. That's why the term is co-opted and worn proudly as a T-shirt. The offensive bit was saying that people who map their own neighbourhood (hello? central idea of the project!) should be anything other than proud. That they will doom the project to irrelevance, while humanitarian mappers, and robot mappers will save it. It's an offensive and highly divisive thing to say.

I think it has been necessary to shake the tree enough to flush these topics into the open.

Yes I've noticed in several follow-up comments from you, that you've climbed down pretty quickly. Ben here has done a great job of listing out your words which are over the top or simply incorrect. And here again now you're saying the words were intended simply to "shake the tree".

Flushing these topics into the open is good. The "Armchair Mapping" wiki page which d1g so politely refers to, is an example of my own attempt to flush out the topics. The page wasn't easy to write. It's walking a line between two strongly opposed viewpoints. There's been a few contributions from others (it's a wiki page after all) and some productive discussion on the talk page. Hopefully there'll be more. It's an example of an attempt to, not only flush out the issues, but help us reach agreement and bit more balance in the community, showing how opposing camps can accommodate each other. I hope more people read it (and read it a bit more carefully than d1g did)

The other way you could flush out the issue is by writing a divisive blog post which is offensive to many of the projects long-standing contributors. Well thanks. I've been paying close attention to these different groups and diverging opinions for a long time, and trying to bring more unity. I hope your blog will end up proving useful, as a way of flushing out these topics, but mostly at the moment it's not feeling too useful.

Let's Talk Local at the Global State of the Map 8 months ago

I'll be in Brussels this evening. Look forward to chatting about this stuff.

I think we could work to improve the onramp at various stages. Or smooth over the steps, or whatever the right metaphor is.

In the slowly developing situation that is the UK Group, there has been a widely held conviction that registering as a formal company/organisation (of one sort or another) with companies house is the big thing and the first thing to get done. This goes hand in hand with board-of-director structural requirements, so it is big. But actually I would have thought establishing a clear group identity by establishing a clear web presence is an earlier step, and I think it's a step the OSMF could offer more clear guidance and assistance with.

For example the OSMF could offer to buy a domain name for any new country group. This is simultaneously a way of helping people and inviting people to get people started, and also at the same time, a way of establishing a small level of control over people who are using the OpenStreetMap name. OSMF retains ownership but points the domain at a webserver of their choice (or at a site hosted by OSMF if they want help with that too) We could then have a sort of Local-Chapter-Agreement-Lite for people who didn't make a formal organisation yet.

Long Names of OpenStreetMap 9 months ago

Yeah I was pondering the same thing. I certainly can't think of a reason. Also HTML tags within names seems like something which is always a bad idea and could be blocked (or at least a new bug type in QA tools)

A missing zoo! 10 months ago

Update: Looking pretty good on the wikivoyage map now (the wikimedia maps have rerendered)

Someone is trying to steal the information of people 10 months ago

Yep stay safe online.

Just to clarify. When you say "send messages", do you mean via the OpenStreetMap 'message' feature? (Is this person an signed up user?) That could be something OSM sysadmins can try to tackle, at least block this user. It's worth others being aware that phishing messages could come via these OpenStreetMap channels.

If you do want to donate money to the Red Cross:

If you specifically want to support humanitarian mapping, donate to the Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team:

If you want to support OpenStreetMap (e.g. to help volunteers run the core server infrastructure):

But of course you should check these links (e.g. search for them independently) before getting your credit card out, because you don't know me. I could be phishing!

Tree named pubs of London 12 months ago

Thanks mmd. I was hoping someone would post that :-) That's good to have for future reference. I did actually start out trying to do this with Overpass, but wasn't sure how to do it exactly, and also I gave up because it was timing out. I see you've got a longer timeout set there too, so it works!

An advantage of this, is that it retrieves a proper boundary around London too. I guess that's part of what makes it take quite a long time though. My approach with osmosis just did a London bbox (although you can do polygon boundaries with osmosis).

I feel bad for the overpass server though sometimes, making it do these biggish queries. It feels kinder to do big data-crunching on my own machine.

Tree named pubs of London 12 months ago

Blimey. Are we actually just drinking in tree-named pubs?? :-)

Ok ok. Something must be done about this. I've refined the grepping and re-run it to include some tree types: grep -Ei "\btree|\bbush|\bAlder\b|\bApple\b|\bAsh\b|\bAspen\b|\bBeech\b|\bBirch\b|\bBlackthorn\b|\bBuckthorn\b|\bCedar\b|\bCherry\b|\bChestnut\b|\bCrab apple\b|\bCypress\b|\bDogwood\b|\bElder\b|\bElm\b|\bEucalyptus\b|\bFir\b|\bHawthorn\b|\bHazel\b|\bHemlock\b|\bHolly\b|\bHornbeam\b|\bJuniper\b|\bLarch\b|\bLime\b|\bMaple\b|\bMonkey puzzle\b|\bOak\b|\bPear\b|\bPine\b|\bPlane\b|\bPlum\b|\bPoplar\b|\bRowan\b|\bSilver Birch\b|\bSpindle\b|\bSpruce\b|\bSycamore\b|\bWalnut\b|\bWhitebeam\b|\bWillow\b|\bYew\b"

That's taken us from 105 tree-named pubs up to 221. Of these 74 are "Royal Oaks"

Tree named pubs of London 12 months ago

Oh I completely forgot we regularly go to a pub called "The Monkey Puzzle". That's should really count as a tree named pub, which raises the question, what words/phrases for tree species names should be listed out to get a more complete list including names like that. I guess if we include "Oak" then that's going to hit upon a whole load more pubs!

Mapillarising Brazil about 1 year ago

Thanks. Yeah I've just about managed to learn how to pronounce it (badly), but spelling Guarulhos is too much.

Mapillarising Brazil about 1 year ago

Aye. She was bored back then too :-(

OSM Analytics launched! about 1 year ago

Sorry I missed the missing maps event. Good to be able to catch up with a video!

So I was just trying out the tool and bit more, while at the same time making a wiki page for 'OSM Analytics' ...and the screenshot is "Image of the week".

School Edit Tracker about 1 year ago

Yeah. A tool like this definitely creates an impression that is a competition, which can be a problem. I think that's something to bear in mind when choosing when to deploy it. There was something about the school project which was almost competition-like. We had a lot of isolated school cases to look through and edit in a fairly clear way which lots of people could get involved in.

Of course there's always lots of ways of gaming the system to score more points in a way which might not be all that helpful, and sometimes in ways which are helpful. For instance with these schools, I noticed somebody could go on a rampage just adding the isced:level tag based on the name of the school. A helpful contribution I suppose, but also an easy way to touch a lot of school objects and win the competition!

My previous uses of the tracker tool were more basic aerial imagery armchair mapping ideas. The wimbledon tennis courts project of the week and my Big Baseball Project. The baseball project had the advantage of being naturally US-focused and so we were only messing up crappy US data (and in 2011 it was mostly crappy data).

For UK projects, armchair mapping concerns are more of a problem. In fact I personally didn't get stuck into editing lots of schools, because whenever I looked at one I ended up thinking "you know I can't actually be sure where the outline of this school is. It really needs to be mapped by somebody who knows it"

What I'd really like is some way of making a competition out of recruiting more mappers. Maybe we could do something like "affiliate tracking links" where if somebody signs up to OpenStreetMap using a link you sent them, then you win! Of course that might encourage people to launch over-zealous spamming campaigns :-/

A missing zoo! about 1 year ago

Ha! Doesn't surprise me at all that this was needed. Thanks!