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osm text yet to be done completed and a quick method to add direct from text

Posted by Govanus on 13 March 2014 in English (English)

I have a couple of files in osm xml format I'm struggleing to find time to finish quickly and given thier stacking node nature they are tough to put up in stages. Some need polygon alignment but incase someone whats a preview I'll try to upload some of the small ones here:- <?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?> <?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?> <?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?> <?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?> <?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?> <?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?>

Location: New Marston, Oxford, Oxfordshire, South East, England, United Kingdom


Posted by Govanus on 13 March 2014 in English (English)

some features at long cross. Site was a contry house and grounds then taken over by the milatary in later years used to test milatary vehicals before being used in closed rally sections and then sold to a film company. site had a golf course developed on in nr the fine original house probably by the army? there are a lot of stuctures for testing vehicals like tanks and lorries.

area still has unmapped features

I had another upload crash afewvhours back

Posted by Govanus on 18 February 2014 in English (English)

I upload about 23 simple changes to new house ways and after a long wait recieved the upload servers html error.

after a few attemps I' had to abandon the data and turn off for leaving all changes will need to be redone some time in the future.

Fixed railway land at Oxford that had corrupted nodes uploaded

Posted by Govanus on 17 February 2014 in English (English)

This land is loosely the land owned by Railway bodies like BRRB and NR. The BRRB section in the south near the Royal Mail office is being prepared for possible redevelopment, so the tags tried to reflect recent changes. The rail line was taken up in the last couple of years as part of the sale preparation process.

This is a really helpful looking document for working with addresses

Posted by Govanus on 14 February 2014 in English (English)

It covers UK numbering for flats and split use buildings and all the other special things that crop up.

It is used by parts of the goverment to do the same process that we do when adding addresses on OSM when they put them into thier databases.

NPLG info

Posted by Govanus on 14 February 2014 in English (English)

Merchant's Railway -Portland UK,EU

Posted by Govanus on 10 February 2014 in English (English)

Tried to use the original (unpart updated) 1930's 25k map loaded to id editor along with bing aerial surface information and a few other sources to make a reasonable attempt at marking out the "Merchants Railway" on Portland that travelled quite far at both ends of its cable incline. Not actually sure but I don't think it was adverse to some trips carrying additional non-stone loads over time. But heavy stone was economic base of this and initially most railways reaching up to the top of the island. Local supply goods for other trades did begin to show signs of diverse future as the National rail network spread and gained more influence than sea traffic towards beginning of the 20th and end of 19th Centuries. The Navy and Prison service also utilise the rail capacity mainly around the coasts.


On the weekend I tried doing more infomation to Southfiled part as there is a suppriseingly large amount unmarked especialy in the large mixed use buildings. Also a the longest terrace of garages also needs to be finshed off too.

Location: Portland CP, Weymouth and Portland, Dorset, South West England, England, United Kingdom

Weymouth dock railway.

Posted by Govanus on 7 February 2014 in English (English)

Did a lot of work to show the unused part tarred dual track railway that runs to Weymouth dock around by the river and under the american bridge. Note this is listed as active though unused till 2015 in NESA ver 11/05/2013. The fate of the line is dependant on rail operators requesting to use it. it was converted to single track but the old unused bit was just tarred over. now all is until reactivation. More tags could be added to clarify this state of affairs.

Gloucester Green Car park

Posted by Govanus on 23 January 2014 in English (English)

Was to be added as a continuation of the edit comments for tonight's drawing of Gloucester green carpark in Oxford.

The various offices stairwells plant rooms etc. are also yet to be added. Area was redeveloped in the late 1980's after failed attempts at the end of the 1970's and some major additional works were done at the beginning of the millennium.

Location: Jericho, Oxford, Oxfordshire, South East, England, United Kingdom


Posted by Govanus on 9 January 2014 in English (English)

was going to start something on high river marks here for regular flood areas but havn't time today. So maybe next time.

garage numbers at southfield pk colwey

Posted by Govanus on 6 December 2013 in English (English)

I started to look at the other half of the estate and it seems to have been tidied up with regard to number marking though many are marked in fading pen enough to make some logic to the scheme. It seems to follow a pattern relating almost to one garage to one flat with some left not so clear as the numbers have gone completely. As the flats where originally numbered on a numbering that best suited neat terraces with numbers jumping across the street (odds to one side and evens to the other) allowing a postman to walk down the street once and deliver all the letters when put in number order. Unfortunately that means that house numbers in Southfield park although theoreticaly still on opposite sides of the road are not really as close to each other when in numerical order anymore as whole blocks dozens of ten of meters away hold each half. There is a possibility that the garages run by the council were also once numbered in a similar fashion to the flats but where rationalised into the current scheme now going into OSM is also possible. the only two distinct garages on OSM from the private side there number too faded to read. When I dissolve the blocks made and add the missing ones then I can begin filling in the other scheme to OSM. I had hoped to go down to Cowley airfield to extend the council site designation scheme across a larger area but I've not had the time yet.

Location: Florence Park, United Kingdom


Posted by Govanus on 29 November 2013 in English (English)

tried to finish the area of highway on southfield park started yesterday unfortunatly tree cover on the arial shots made somebits hard to track on the ground its fairly smooth and constant width with the bays and turnings starting on the edje of this flow. The drive to southfield farm used to end at barracks lane so the continuation of batlemas close into the park was the official nameing as all the flats are named southfeild park,in their 1st address line the Bartlemas close became steadly droped so no official boundy exsists between the two but it lies anywhere alone the old drive to the 1st bend in an informal sense.

Tonights work on rail ref's

Posted by Govanus on 15 November 2013 in English (English)

this has crashed with a relation placeholder error when saveing and substatially regressed so wiill need to be redone - GW260 from NESA. It might look a bit complex but it is designed to still work when lines are cut up for features like bridges, level crossings and future midspan abandonments. the ref GW260 is a rail equivalent to nameing a road A34 so all the sub sections [of individual OSM ways] have a close relation to the ref (known as Routecode and LOR). I also put in a grouping level for named lines (traditionaly termed roads in the trade) along with there relations. this should still function when ways are split. I was going to add the speed limits but gave up today as they can sometimes very along a named line/road as well as chnage See NR info for latest speeds, till I think how best to mark them. OSM has what look like informal levelcrossings for footpaths along this stretch but NESA dosn't tell the train driver of them and you might be likely to by fined for tresspass!


Posted by Govanus on 14 November 2013 in English (English)

Intreasting site to fold into my osm db useage.(

Maybe its reinventing the wheel but a mashup with mapcss, GeoVRML, OSMdata, kensi3D engine (in josm plugin) and some runtime intergration possibly with some html5 friendly version of ECMA/Java might give a {text-editor level(/maybe also by an html form element)} easily user maluable 3d render solution that could include multiuser realtime 3D interactive vectored MIcons and sound responces...

video inset signposts incoperated into kensi based landscape with mapcss colour and texture ques intergated: While users and deamon/bots feed info into the landscape (sea and rail traffic openseamap style [but fed with VRML ship models to annotate](and weather links...

For those wondering what happend to VRML97 in standerdised officialy at iso went though some impoving versions and then had the core effort pulled into making it like the xhtml effort at the same time to make it XML capatible and turned into X3D. Early bandwidth restrictions and some user awkwardness with dimlly lit models in cosmos made it lose widespread permanace as browser wars began to focus on pandering to the consistant visual layout Dreams of corperate marketing teams used then to still working in paper white than user definable world of html's 1-2. with big browser support week people gave up sticking to a standard and mainly evolved there own for use in things like games and more widely supported java/Flash filled the rest of the gap.

I think if people are putting the effort to evolve new things like mapcss that don't depend on a wide 3rd party browser support then loking at these older (fadeing from the mainstream memory) initiatives might prove useful to some. Software and algorithums are often already made and teasted (though admitadly some systems could benifit with some updateing of the old s/w to make it run on newer enviroments).

recent work

Posted by Govanus on 11 November 2013 in English (English)

Stopped mid way though seperating highway boundry from the main roadsurface as previous attempts to get the tagging right for wide compound road sites like this was makeing a confused mess. the road is getting an area likeat the north and the boundry and footway are yet to be seperated in the south end the result will render all parts in true areas (at bing sat accuracy) this I hope to then extend beyound the estate when finished.

British Rail routecodes

Posted by Govanus on 7 November 2013 in English (English)

I was looking some more into to the live map idea of mainline train movements similar to openseamap's: and I found this useful list of all the route numbers:-

RouteCode From Open Rail Data Wiki

Network Rail divide the network up in to a set of routes, identified with a code, e.g. MD101. These codes are used in the Sectional Appendix.

A list of route codes from the Sectional Appendix - correct as of 12th June 2012, is available.


As I get time I am still looking to be annoting these to OSM with the help of NESA pdf ed diagrams. The list of things hoping to do is still larger than the time available but the finite nature means that I'll get there eventually.

I found out how to make relationships work with some of the editors (I don't think id will work on [my] today's computer). So I will try and do them in a grand relationship. NESA also holds the abrviated official name of each "road"/track that is on some public faceing signs at places like bridges so I want to do these at the same time like I did nr padington.

going into the station the editor became a confusing bunch of parrell lines that began not fit easily with the NESA Diagram and using bing beneath just made it worse to comprehend! so staed near a flyover instead. earlier work is nr didcot jcn.

Garage tagging at Southfield Park

Posted by Govanus on 9 October 2013 in English (English)

When choosing the tags that relate to garages at Southfield park I took reference initially to the fields in potlatch and id: in addition I chose the:

name to be the figures and symbols written on the garage itself {what people would recognise it to be called} Note these have been changed overtime and sometimes relate to a house name or number of an user rather than a number that logically relates to the garage (ie in a sequence)

address & postcode to be discoverable postal information ascribed to the Garage (or block). Note not all are known to have been given such addresses yet.

Designation to be the identifying code used by the operator this is more likely to be in a more logical order than the name in instances where the number there is follower a more randomly allotted users home address.

Southfield Park is not uniform in ownership or operator so different conditions exist even on this small estate. Also time has seen renovation and renumbering on some while not on all.

To make things easy I picked the most ordered and logical garages first as well as the easiest to find full information for. For this reason it looks like I've overkilled the Numbering tags with repetition; though when I finish the OCiC ones and move on to the much harder private ones gaps of missing tags and illogical sequences are likely to abound.

To compound the look of repetition of the first drawn garages I also decided to split the Full designation over a series of grouping relationships to better describe the levels of the designation and make it easier to add tags appropriate to describing unique features of different levels. This matches management of the large numbers of garages controlled by the same operator.

If you have major objections to this approach it would save me a lot of time to discuss them here first, before unilaterally deciding to make major edits that mess up the numbering schemes described here.

If you have or know of sources of reliable designations and address listings for the non-attached private garages in Oxford and elsewhere it would be useful in finishing this name and numbering exercise on OSM.

Thank you for takeing the time to read this message.

Location: Lye Valley, Oxford, Oxfordshire, South East, England, United Kingdom

Designatory grouping relationships

Posted by Govanus on 9 October 2013 in English (English)

I've been trying to find and then complete a way to describe a set of designations made of nested groups of sub members (that look like private address schemes) that apply to geographically identifiable places (for instance rooms, buildings, blocks and out-houses. I aimed to find away that I could avoid repeating the designation in each way or node, so a relation was the natural solution: in addition I wanted to be able to tag a whole group at different levels to give relevant thematic information relating to only that subgroup.

I also was keen to allow software to comprehend automatically the structure and all relations between the groups their levels and descriptive tags, in such a way that it automatically matched easily with owner supplied data and possible streaming (possibly private) that they could use to make automatic overlays(or slippery map layers) on there website in future. An attractive benefit when promoting its adoption over the current weaker Google based offering. Matching this with simple totally custom automated rendering when needed also adds to the potential appeal.

Nested Relationships solve this neatly fit all requirements and can be made to fit the current schema neatly. I therefore will look to make a proposal for wider adoption for places with similar needs. It is noted that renderers and other software is unlikely to become confused with this unknown type of relationship as most relationships are currently only selectively processed by programs made to look for special types they use: so I expect that uninterested software will ignore the new relations while the new (local) software written to support them will use them instead.

Location: Florence Park, United Kingdom

recent upload failures.

Posted by Govanus on 1 October 2013 in English (English)

I made 101 changes on friday but they didn't appear to upload properly: so I'm looking though if they are permently los or stageing somewhere...

Offical OxCAB Tagging

Posted by Govanus on 26 September 2013 in English (English)

I'm adding tags on behalf of Oxford CAB of the sites they run in and a few other currently unshown advice services they refer people to. I hope to use the resultant osm data to render maps for the bureau for public guidance. The information is a bit in-depth and some sites of outreaches are shared with other organisations. At first I hope to leave a node with tags at the shared sites that others marking out the buildings can incorporate in their own shared use method. Internally I hope to use a mapcss to stick a logo with some edge coded to show if is a restricted outreach (one serving people using another service at the site that have requested that we help only them at their place). I hope to find a way to upload some logo's for general rendering of CAB advice sites and give a josm mapcss for their intended usage.

The Models of Southfield park is coming on steadily I'm working on improving the accuracy. British National grid is missing from Josm at the moment that slows stuff down a lot for me, I hope the result will surpass the Mastermap by Ordnance Survey when done.

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