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Unrendered elements

Posted by Nikola Bura on 12 June 2016 in English (English)

Is there anything that can be done about un-rendered elements? For many OSM features, the data is there, but it doesn't get rendered on the map.

As far as I can tell, this happens with:

  • All the Offices
  • Many Man-Made nodes: like Sirens, Tanks, and Pipelines
  • Parking Entrance nodes
  • Flagpoles

Can we do anything to fix this? I understand why unimportant features like sirens, flagpoles, and pipelines would be removed; but things like Offices and Parking Entrances seem rather significant.

(This is my first time posting, I hope I haven't broken any rules...)

Gotta love people who don't look at the satillte imagery and ajacent ways and think that turn lanes need to be fixed. :/

Posted by rickmastfan67 on 10 June 2016 in English (English)

Cases in point: &

Both people on took out the 'none' from the "turn:lanes:backward" tag. From "none;slight_right", to "slight_right". Now the info for that section is completely WRONG. The 'none' is there to indicate that the road there is splitting into two lanes. With taking out the 'none' part, it indicates that there's only one direction the lane is going. Here we have them removing the 'none' from beside the 'slight_left' indicating there's a new left lane starting.

Gotta just love who think everything is an error........ 'none' is a VALID tag for turn lanes for crying out loud!!


Missing House Numbers, and missing Parish Boundaries

Posted by alexkemp on 10 June 2016 in English (English)

Whilst surveying on Florence Road last Sunday 5 June, I finally began to get some answers to a perennial question that has come up ever since I began surveying for OSM back in March of this year:—

“Why is that house number missing?”

Now, this may never affect you and, if so, I congratulate you on your mental stability. For myself, years of computer programming have deepened my natural state. Something like the situation in Florence Road can create the equivalent of a mental itch that I cannot scratch that can last for days or weeks, months or years...

The house numbers in Florence Road flow naturally from Porchester Road to Hillview Road; even numbers on the south-side, odd numbers on the north-side. There are additions here and there (‘48’ & ‘48a’, ‘19’ & ‘19a’) and some “teeth” missing (only a gap between numbers 20 & 26), but what causes me to stare hard is number 43, which has 45 on the up side (no problems there) and 39 on the down side. What has happened to 41! Whilst contemplating this, the lady owner pulled up in her car & gave me the answer.

Florence Road was originally part of the Earl of Carnarvon's estate, and was divided out into Allotment plots + sold off for houses. Her house was built on 2 adjacent plots (thus originally designated for 2 houses but only the one actually built). She also mentioned that the nearby Punch Bowl was originally the Earl of Carnarvon's Estate House and, in so doing, transferred all of my original itch (missing house number) to “Earl of Carnarvon”. Who he?

The Earl of Carnarvon has the full title: “Earl of the Town and County of Carnarvon, in the Principality of Wales” and, to save bitter comments, the town & county are more commonly spelt “Caernarfon” these days. It is the 3ʳᵈ creation of the title (the male line died out with the first two; 3ʳᵈ time lucky, eh?). The 1ˢᵗ Earl was Henry Herbert and, in 1793 when elevated to that Peerage, was already 1ˢᵗ Baron Porchester (“Baron Porchester, of High Clere in the County of Southampton”, in 1780). The family tradition then became that the Porchester title was adopted by the son of the new Earl at his ascension (in other words, at the old Earl's death).

That is supposed as the original source for both the name of the road & for Porchester Gardens. If you look at the West-side boundary of that link you will see (what used to be) the entire length of the original “Porchester Road” (it is now called that all the way down to Carlton Road, but the length from Carlton Road to Daisy Road was originally called “Thorneywood Lane”).

Let's have some pictures before any more verbiage. Here's an announcement of Porchester Gardens at the head of Kent Road where it meets Porchester Road:

Porchester Gardens

The following certainly seems to prove the assertion about the Punchbowl (this is the gatepost for foot traffic to the Punch Bowl at Daisy Road/Porchester Road):

Punchbowl Gatepost

The Porchester St James History page states that “Porchester does not appear on maps of Nottingham as a place” (they are talking here of the church Parish of Porchester). Sadly, that still rings true for OSM. As best as I can tell, OSM does not have any Parish boundaries, or even Diocesan boundaries, which seems quite astonishing.

To be clear, we are not talking administrative nor urban boundaries here. That can be made very clear by comparing the admin boundary of Gedling, which can easily be found on the OSM map, with the Parish Boundary of Gedling using Parish Finder. Often the civil & ecumenical boundaries will be the same, but not all the time.

I'm actually very surprised that some church group hasn't spotted this & taken ownership of putting themselves up on OSM at some point in the last 12 years. Parish Finder uses Google Maps; I assume therefore that they are paying Google for the privilege.

Using Parish Finder we see that part of Porchester Gardens (rather strangely) is within the Nottingham St Jude Parish, whilst the rest is within Porchester Parish. This latter includes many of the streets that I've been surveying recently, and runs up the centre of the very interesting Donkey Step. All of these parishes are within the Diocese of Southwell and Nottingham.

The Porchester History page cites the Earl of Kingston to have owned this neck of the woods due to his action in enclosing Marshall Hill in 1672 (and indeed much more, since he is also cited as owner of the Thoresby Estates). Now, you will understand that I am employing the original politically-correct language of those times when I use the word “enclosed”. In my native Yorkshire we tend to call theft by it's correct word, but of course the self-declared nobility have been stealing the common land ever since William the Bastard robbed, raped, murdered & burnt his way through these lands in 1066.

Now, as best as I can tell that is Evelyn Pierrepont, 1ˢᵗ Duke of Kingston-upon-Hull (1715), 5ᵗʰ Earl of Kingston-upon-Hull (1690) & Marquess of Dorchester (1706). He was succeeded by his grandson (same name, 2ⁿᵈ Duke) and his sister became Lady Frances Medows; we have a direct line of descent from her down to Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge.

The second son of Lady Frances Medows was Charles Medows, Earl Manvers (title awarded 1806). He had become Baron Pierrepont, of Holme Pierrepont in the County of Nottingham (1788) and Viscount Newark, of Newark-on-Trent in the County of Nottingham (1796). Charles had inherited Gedling through his family, and it was he that cleared Marshall Hill for farmland, and established Marshall Hill Farm. The whole of the farm estate was bought by the Earl of Carnarvon (the 5ᵗʰ Earl is the best well-known, for discovering the tomb of Tutankhamun along with Howard Carter).

Marshall Hill is missing from the OSM map (only the ancient Bartholomew 1897-1907 map shows it). Westdale Lane West runs along the top of that hill, whilst Marshall Hill Drive climbs the hill & joins with Westdale Lane at the top.

Finally, and after much preparation, I can now sketch out how the land became available for building plots.

In 1887 the locality was entirely rural except for the Lunatic Asylum, built in 1880 on the other side of Porchester Road (more info in Nottingham Suburban Railway, Part 2). The Nottingham Corporation had dispossessed some folks of their allotments in order to build the Asylum. Those folks approached Samuel Robinson, Charles Bennett (of the NSR) and David Whittingham, who together agreed to act as guarantors so that they could continue to work some gardens. 6 acres (0.024 km²) were purchased from Earl Carnarvon on 26 March 1887 at the corner between Woodborough Road and Porchester Road. It became the start of Porchester Gardens.

Two things happened now:

  1. Victorian Nottingham folk were mad-keen on allotments & gardening
  2. They decided in the end that the best rewards come from growing houses

The original 6 acres swelled to about 250 acres (1 km²). The first house was in 1889, but the true spurt in building followed after the Great War in the 1920s & 1930s. Roads and mains water were laid and gardening allotments were converted to building plots. The suburbs had arrived.

Location: Thorneywood, Sneinton, Nottingham, East Midlands, England, United Kingdom

Cyclists @mapillary

Posted by Peter Neubauer on 10 June 2016 in English (English)

I think the statistics on the cyclists on Mapillary is very interesting. See the blog entry for full details.


Location: Södra Lindholmsvägen, Hönsingehus, Svedala, Skåne, Götaland, 23343, Sweden

Survival Techniques for Hot Weather in Carlton

Posted by alexkemp on 9 June 2016 in English (English)

In the fewest possible words:—

  1. Clothes — keep covered from the heat with cottons/silks
  2. Hydration — small, continuous drinks of water
  3. Salt ‘n’ sugar — water is not enough
    (surprise: Coke/Pepsi are ideal, if expensive & burpy)

It is currently 21:25, 20℃ & 68% humidity in Nottingham. It was far, far hotter whilst surveying this afternoon on Carlton Hill, and I was struggling to keep my head intact (losing too much salt via sweating).

The message about hydration seems to have got through to the young, but I'm not sure if the message on electrolytics (salt) has. Here is a tale from the 1970s; it was sufficiently dramatic that I learnt it for ever.

I was in my 20s, married with a young child, and the collapse in the value of the £ (GBP) + soaring inflation had meant that my so-called good job would no longer pay the mortgage. I found another job. That saw me canvassing for lemonade sales door-to-door 10am-4pm at this time of year in similar weather. I was guzzling lemonade throughout the day at an astonishing rate of knots.

The residential estate I was working was at the top of a hill, so the route home was downhill all the way. The vehicle I was driving was a Commer van, heavy in itself and still loaded up with crates of lemonade. My first intimation that I was not in a fit state to drive was when I drove smack into the back of a car parked at the side of the road.

I knew it was there, but had become transfixed at the wheel and my reactions were so slow that I hardly diverted away from the vehicle. The back of the car was written off, the Commer van was barely scratched. The folks that owned the car had just loaded it up ready to set off on holiday. Thankfully, no-one was hurt; just bent metal & disappointed dreams.

There is a curious connection between what happened to me & what can kill young kids in hot countries such as Africa that catch dysentery. The root cause is often a bacterial or amoebic infection, but the actual danger is dehydration & consequent loss of minerals & salts. The rehydration therapy is NOT just water; the early doctors that tried to help discovered that children still died if they only got water. Aid workers now carry plastic bags that contain a dry mixture of sugar & salt. Mixed with boiled water, that becomes the life-saver:—

6 level teaspoons (25.2 grams) of sugar
0.5 teaspoon (2.1 grams) of salt
1 litre of water

...and here is a further curiosity for you: original Coca Cola & Pepsi each have the exact mixture of salts to water as shown above.

68% humidity is very low for England. Nottingham is in the middle of the country, yet is only about 75 miles (120km) from the sea. 90% humidity is typical here, if not higher! However, every so often we get an influx of weather from the Sahara, the humidity plummets & kidney stone incidents soar.

Location: Bakersfield, Nottingham, East Midlands, England, NG12, United Kingdom


Posted by Patricia McBride on 9 June 2016 in English (English)

What you doing

Location: North 172nd East Avenue, Tiger, Rogers County, Oklahoma, 74116, United States of America

Get Set Go With Basaveshwaranagar Mapping Party!

Posted by poornibadrinath on 9 June 2016 in English (English)

What better ways to spend weekends than mapping? ;)

And it’s like icing on the cake when World Environment Day falls on the end of the week. No better day to kickstart Basaveshwaranagar Mapping Party!

dscn1067-001 Basaveshwarnagar neighbourhood

This quaint little neighbourhood has been home to us for the past 20 years, and even though we thought we had all its entities etched in our memory, the growth this area has had in the recent years has baffled us, nonetheless. There are so many new things coming up, the neighbourhood has gone through so many changes that it was almost a necessity to keep up with the pace of its growth and have an idea about what is happening in our immediate surroundings. Well, mapping seemed like an answer to all those questions and hence, tada, Basaveshwaranagar Mapping Party has officially been flagged off!

dscn1074-001 Even the cows like partying!!!!

On account of World Environment Day, the mapping party started off with us, Jinal and me mapping trees present in our area, to get a bearing of whether our neighbourhood is more greener or less, and of course, it is less. There are so many trees cut down to make room for development. A sad scenario, but few good samaritans still love the ah-mazing trees and quite a few of them have survived.

dscn1065-001 Survival skills, I tell you!

We mapped close to a hundred trees in ten streets we roamed around. Quite a good number but there is still room for a lot more greenery. Basaveshwaranagar is beautiful, there is no denying it, but it can be a lot more beautiful with more trees. Maybe, a call for a sapling drive would be great!

collages1 Basaveshwaranagar buddies mapping ;)

Using an offline mapping app, we mapped the locations of trees around our area (sadly, we couldn't upload it from since it doesn't have a tag for trees; though we have made them a request!) and then we uploaded it on OpenStreetMap using JOSM. OpenStreetMap looks a lot more greener, now that we have added quite the number of trees in our locality.

dscn1072-001 Using

screenshot_2016-06-08_13_27_51 Streets we covered

15c5dw Trees mapped in the area

Mapping party, however, is not just about mapping trees. It’s about getting to know our surroundings, our home better and to keep Basaveshwaranagar up to date on the map. We are looking forward to a lot more mapping, adding up new interest points, restaurants, shops, adding missing streets and repairing the wrong ones present on OpenStreetMap and also, ;)

dscn1064 Tracking our little friends ;)

We welcome all Basaveshwarnagar mappers to join, bring in new perspective and put in their efforts and interests to make our area a lot more cooler than it already is. Let’s grab field papers, party hats and go map!

What say?

Locating the trees of Saalumarada Thimmakka

Posted by PlaneMad on 9 June 2016 in English (English)

A rather inspiring story came to my notice last week on World Environment day from Chethan during lunch, that of a lady who mothered thousands of trees just like her own children in rural India, not too far away from here in Bengaluru.


Saalumarada Thimmakka has planted over 8,000 trees, the most famous being 384 banyan trees on a 4km stretch of road from her home village Hulikal to Kudoor.

A bunch of us mappers Chethan, Maanya and Ramya plan to take a ride out of the city to meet this amazing lady and plant her banyan trees on the map!

Location: SH94, Hulikal, Magadi taluku, Ramanagara district, Karnataka, India


Posted by angys on 9 June 2016 in English (English)

Because of my device hang,My Diary is completely disappear, please help me to improve Malaysia maps.I also hope somebody can mapped with me and help me to translate them into Chinese Sim. Let's mapping now and let the Malaysia maps with multi languages, and become the most qualityful in SEA.

Location: Taman Seroja, Kulim, Kedah, Malaysia

Donkey Step

Posted by alexkemp on 8 June 2016 in English (English)

What's this about Nottingham & Donkeys?

Close to where I live is what is (reputed to be) the steepest hill in Nottingham. It's official name is Saint Bartholomew's Road, but every local calls it “Donkey Hill”, and the name seems to go back some distance. It was apparently known as Bartholomew Stile Footway in 1882 (my house deeds show the first lessee at 24 June 1883, and it is likely that the first houses built locally date from then, or shortly before that date). It seems that Donkey Hill itself was a footpath surrounded by fields & allotments for quite some time. Finally, a St. Bartholomews Church (CoE high-church) was built in 1902 on Blue Bell Hill Road, in the area now known as Wickens Walk, and torn down as part of the St. Anns clearances of the 1970s.

According to the forum, “Bartholomews stile (or style) marked the edge of the borough of Nottingham”. Gedling & Lambley borders are further away today.

Freda Avenue is in competition as the steepest hill in Nottingham, and Lascelles Avenue (the next avenue on the same hill) is also called Donkey Hill by the locals.

Finally, I was surveying last Sunday 5 June at Hillview Road. Opposite where Standhill Road meets Hillview is a Footpath that runs between 64 & 66 Hillview and goes steeply down to Simkin Avenue, passing across Pilkington Road on the way. At the bottom of Simkin Avenue is the bottom of the hill, and dead ahead is Marshall Hill Drive which climbs the other slope.

As I walked down a lass was walking up the other way. I asked her if the Footpath had a name. She confidently told me it was called “Donkey Step”. What is it about Nottingham & Donkeys!

The line of Donkey Step is a touch eerie:— the footpath itself is very straight, as is the line with Simkin Avenue & Marshall Hill Drive. Here is the view from the top:

Donkey Step from the top

...and this is the view looking the other way from the bottom of Simkin Avenue:

up Simkin Av to Donkey Step

Location: Thorneywood, Sneinton, Nottingham, East Midlands, England, United Kingdom

View OSM data in 3D and split by year

Posted by baditaflorin on 8 June 2016 in English (English)

I will not explain here all the process, but if people are interested, i can do a short video explaining all the process.

I have used the OSM Postgis Script to load the data in PostGIS. This was made for Stereo70 projection, but can be adapted for wsg84

The result it`s a completely 3D map that you can navigate and see each all of the edits made in one year or for each month (not shown in the video or photos)

3d usage

In this image you can see the ways that have been created or last modified in 2016 (top layer), then 2015, then 2014, then 2013, then 2012, then 2011, 2010,2009,etc

3d usage

2015(upper part),2014(middle),2013(lower part)

3d usage

You can use this to split a city into the different users that edited in that city, or by versions,etc

You can see a live demo in this youtube video that i made

Strange routing?

Posted by TagaSanPedroAko on 8 June 2016 in English (English)

This routes from Batangas City to Tunasan, Muntinlupa (Mapzen/OSRM] looks strange. Rather than taking Susana Heights/MCX Exit, Susana Heights Road, and National Road (Daang Maharlika), navigations directions tell you to exit at Carmona Exit and take Governor;s Drive, General Malvar Street and then turn left to National Highway (Daang Maharlika) northbound. My knowledge tells that the main route to Tunasan is via Susana Heights Exit. OSM routers still wants you to take Carmona Exit to Muntinlupa or San Pedro, and it looks like a routing issue.

Why is that happening? Can someone tell me reasons for that routing situation and possible road data fix-up?

Updating Evia

Posted by TagaSanPedroAko on 8 June 2016 in English (English)

I made many updates on Evia along Daang Hari in Almanza Dos, Las Pinas, along with some developments in Starmall Prima in Molino, Bacoor, Cavite. It was since many months I was not updated on developments of that mall owned by Vista Malls of Vistaland by former senator Manny Villar. I have only gone to Evia to eat at the McDonald's store there or sometimes buy groceries at Rustan's Fresh.

With an advantage to survey Evia after months, I added new developments in the mall, including new buildings, stores, restaurants, roads, and traffic direction on the parking areas, which are now pay parking areas. I also made a partial indoor map of the mall.

Following this update on Evia, which has been contributed by Schadow1 and me, I will make updates soon on Festival Mall in Alabang, when I have an advantage to visit and do a survey of new buildings of the mall on the River Park area.

Location: Evia Lifestyle Center, Almanza Dos, Versailles, District 2, Las Piñas, Metro Manila, 1776, Philippines

Textures and Perlin Noise

Posted by Zabot on 8 June 2016 in English (English)

Another week down, more pictures to look at. This one comes with a usable build. (Note that right now procedural textures can be layered under a transparent bitmap, but will block out any layers under them)

Procedural Textures

Here is the standard textured image of Central Park. The grass textures do look nice, but you can clearly see where the texture repeats, it is a bit jarring. Central Park Here is the same view using procedurally generated textures. The image instantly smooths out, without loosing the subtle texture of the grass like you would if you were to use a solid color. Central Park The way the procedural textures are implemented will allow them to be mixed and layered with bitmap and other procedural textures to produce a desired effect. There are four main flags of interest in the config file.

NAME is the name of the material. N is the texture layer.

  • material_NAME_textureN_procedural (default false) -- Enables a procedural texture for this layer.
  • material_NAME_textureN_baseColor (default #FFFFFF) -- The base color of the layer. The color of the layer will vary, centered around this value.
  • material_NAME_textureN_deviation (default #969664) -- The maximum difference between the final color of a pixel and baseColor on each channel.
  • material_NAME_textureN_xScale and material_NAME_textureN_yScale (default 1.0) -- The relative frequency of the noise in the x and y direction. Higher values produce higher frequency noise.

Perlin Noise

The texture generation is implemented using a fairly standard Perlin noise generator. The approach is base on this one, but the basic idea is that random seed values are generated throughout a grid of vertices along the face to be rendered, and then everything else is interpolated. The effect it produces looks a bit like nebula or gas cloud. The generation itself happens entirely on the GPU.

1000,000 points on the map.

Posted by matthewsheffield on 8 June 2016 in English (English)

I have finished my millionth item on the map, all done by hand, rather than using a bot. There is substantial data added in Melbourne where I live, but far greater numbers in developing and struggling nations like Iraq, Central African Republic and Burkina Faso.

Thanks to Pascal Neis for the data to allow me to have any idea about this!

HOTOSM recognition by the President of Mexico in Internet Day 2016

Posted by Mapanauta on 7 June 2016 in English (English)

*Versión en Español: Reconocimiento a HOTOSM por el Presidente de México en el Día del Internet 2016 --- Short Link: *

On the Internet Day, May 17 2016 the President of Mexico Enrique Peña Nieto invited fifty citizens who called Digital Leaders (#LideresDigitales) to have a dialogue on the future of technology and Internet in Mexico, I had the opportunity of being among these group of citizens. The President talked about various related topics but especially appreciated the efforts of humanitarian mapping conducted by Humanitarian OpenStreetMap in Hurricane Patricia.

 Day of Internet 2016- Dialogue with the President of Mexico

 President’s office twitter account

Why the President of México thanked the efforts from HOTSOM in Hurricane Patricia? Here you will find some details so you know what was done.

On October 23, 2015 Hurricane Patricia threatened to touch the states of Colima, Nayarit and Jalisco with winds up to 325 km/h, authorities of Mexico mentioned "It is very likely that this hurricane is the strongest ever in the Pacific side of our country, since it has records "

 Hurricane Patricia Path from NOAA

Contributors of OpenStreetMap and HOTOSM like Rodolfo Wilhelmy, Humberto Yances, Rafael Avila, Robert Banick, Andres Ortiz, and many others (sorry for not mentioning everyone) in addition to an army of over 500 mappers of Mexico and the world joined efforts to support this area of the Mexican Pacific with data that could be used for the benefit of the population that could be affected. Fortunately, the hurricane lost strength by touching the coast of Mexico causing minimal damage compared to what was expected.

Quick stats:

More than 500 contributors mapped 9,000 kms of roads (5.6k miles of road) + 72,000 buildings in 72hrs It was processed 29,608 km^2 pre-event DigitalGlobe imagery to improved coverage over priority areas. It was analyzed INEGI road data to identify missing roads and road names in OSM data. Mexico Open Data was confirmed by authorities to be used in OpenStreetMap. All these was possible thanks to the great work HOT members, companies supporting OSM project and the local community in Mexico and the World

 Contributors mapping the priority area in 72 hours Gif by Mapbox

The event took place in Los Pinos (The equivalence of the U.S. White House) at the moment the Open Data topic was mentioned, Peña Nieto said he knew someone who had supported the alert for Hurricane Patricia was among the guests so I raised my hand to start the dialogue, the President mentioned "... I just want to thank because it's an example that illustrates very well what we can achieve and I think that you also use open information.” In my participation I could give my point of view on the need for Mexico not only upload open data to be the first in quantity of released Open Data but emphasize the need of quality Open Data in order to take better decisions based on them. Also I could mention the importance of Open Mapping and collaboration between Governments and Civil Society so more Mexicans are less harmed by disasters (find the 3 min video here).

 Fragment of video from President’s office twitter account

In Mexico the OpenStreetMap community is not as numerous as in other countries but in the last two years a group of collaborators we have joined together to promote the project and increase the local community through massive workshops in Universities and courses for Government Authorities and Civil Society. Much remains to be mapped but I believe we are on the right track.

Miriam Gonzalez


I wish I'd known about …

Posted by scruss on 7 June 2016 in English (English)

YoHours earlier. I might actually enjoy (or at worst, understand) entering opening hours now.

OSM Analytic Difference Engine Docker image

Posted by MichaelVL on 7 June 2016 in English (English)

Theres now a Docker image available for the OSM Analytic Difference Engine. This images contains the tracker with a 'region of interest' polygon covering Denmark and an Nginx frontend.

Find the source and more information about the OSM Analytic Difference Engine here:

See a running instance here:

JOSM+Terracer Now Almost Unusable for Relation Creation

Posted by alexkemp on 6 June 2016 in English (English)
  • March 2016: I begin using JOSM + Terracer
  • March 2016: my first bug-report
    Leaving “keep outline way” NOT selected + associatedStreet relation IS selected causes an exception when ‘OK’ is pressed
    (the developers have more important matters to attend to than Terracer)
  • April 2016 - May 2016: (after each JOSM update, another bug-report)
    Leaving “keep outline way” NOT selected + associatedStreet relation IS selected causes an exception when ‘OK’ is pressed
    (each time, the developers have more important matters to attend to than Terracer)
  • 5 June 2016: Debian Jessie Updates to 8.5
    (Debian updates 4 June; I update the following day)
  • 5 June 2016: JOSM Updates to 10327
  • 5 June 2016: JOSM Plugins Update to 32158
  • 5 June 2016: the ‘normal’ bug-report, with an extra twist
    Leaving “keep outline way” NOT selected causes an exception when ‘OK’ is pressed.
    Leaving “keep outline way” IS selected causes an exception when ‘OK’ is pressed
    (essentially, terracer is almost unusable if relation is also selected )

It is important now to NOT select “keep outline way” within the Terracer dialog, as otherwise the original house is left beneath the terrace and, for some reason, it is now almost impossible to separate the two. In addition, previously the associatedStreet relation was correctly created for all houses. Now, many houses do not have it created (although the odd one does).

I find the combo of Building Tools + Terracer to be the best method for entering any house (detached, semi-detached or actual terrace) onto the map using JOSM, and the simplest to do so + create an associatedStreet relation at the same time. Now, each & every house causes a software exception.

Oh, spit.

Tuesday 7 June: After more testing, I realise that it is the fact that ‘add to associatedStreet relation’ is selected that is causing the software exception to be thrown (if not selected, no exception). As I understand it, Terracer may have had it's version changed to match all the other Plugins, but nothing has changed within it's coding. If accurate, that means that it is something in the interaction between JOSM & Terracer that is causing the problem.

Location: Thorneywood, Sneinton, Nottingham, East Midlands, England, United Kingdom

Zoners Greenhouse Commerce Twp Michigan 48382

Posted by FBrady01 on 6 June 2016 in English (English)

Correct location is:
Zoners Greenhouse 2355 E Commerce St, Commerce Charter Twp, MI 48382 Latitude, Longitude
Latitude 42.596261, Longitude -83.522261 GPS Coordinates 42o 35' 46.5396 N and 83o 31' 20.1396" W ........................................ the location is shown INCORRECT at tomtom, garmin, google maps, mapquest, geocache,, Open Street Maps, Waze, Here Map. Your showing the incorrect location as way at the back of the property. This is Wrong. The Zoners Greenhouse Store is very close to the street "East Commerce St" Please Fix the GPS LOCATION.

Location: East Commerce Road, Commerce Township, Oakland County, Michigan, 48382, United States of America
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